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Subject: Re: New SSDF-List - especially for Thorsten

Author: Andreas Mader

Date: 10:15:40 02/28/98

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Peter, this is an excellent posting IMO! You brought it to the point!

I have to add a little detail: Nimzo98 has a bug in the autoplayer
function (sometimes it plays only one game with black). Chrilly
corrected it and I asked him if we should send the SSDF a Nimzo version
without this bug. He told me that the SSDF would refuse to accept a new
version because they always want to test commercial versions.

Now I ask myself: Has the SSDF changed the rules especially for
Fritz5???

Andreas


>Thorsten believes something, you don`t believe something ....? Again :
>for me it`s a little
>bit suspect, that you `re claiming this, after the new list is
>published.
>People like Moritz claimed this for a long time, this has for me more
>credibility.
>
>To make it clear : I`m surprised about the performance of Fritz 5, but
>it`s not a
>great problem for me. You `re a well known expert, for example cowriter
>in CSS. Didn`t
>you recognize the real basic problem ? Let `s take a look to some facts
>:
>
>The published list of the SSDF is a trusted source of information for
>many years. The basic
>principle of the SSDF was, that chess programs and computers were tested
>ONLY in EXACTLY THE
>SAME FORM, as they were AVAILABLE in the public. This basic principle is
>the argument, which made
>the SSDF ratings VALUABLE for all interested people. One additional
>aspect is the fact, that the
>SSDF is non-commercial. Okay until now ?
>
>Now, in my knowledge for the first time, the SSDF allowed a producer of
>chess software, to participate
>with a SPECIAL hardware/software configuration, which is in difference
>to MChess, Rebel,Hiarcs, Genius etc.
>NOT COMMERCIALLY available !! So for me it`s absolutly uninteresting,
>what you or anybody else believe. I
>see there some danger, that in the future the SSDF rating list will
>become WORTHLESS , unless
>they will return to their basic principles.
>
>Looking to the SSDF-Ratinglist from the 22.02.98 I want to discuss the
>following points with my friends
>here in CCC :
>
>1.)In difference to ALL other programs in the list Fritz 5 have been
>tested with a special Powerbook, which is normal NOT delivered with
>Fritz 5 ! Some guys told us here -- I think it was Moritz -- that the
>book wasn`t tuned against other programs. But this is not my point :
>this special book wasn`t supplied with F5, why did the SSDF accept this
>?
>
>2.) Fritz 5 wasn`t tested with the standard auto232 interface. It only
>works with a SPECIAL hard/software
>combination supplied by the producer. We don`t know, what `s possible
>with this special setup. But fact is :in difference to MChess, Rebel,
>Hiarcs, Genius etc. nobody of us has the possibility, to test and work
>with this special combination. Why ? Because it wasn`t delievered with
>the normal Fritz 5 package....
>
>3.) If you read the magazine CSS = ComputerSchach & Spiele then you `ll
>find in earlier editions a lot of
>results between Fritz 5 against some other programs like Rebel, Genius
>or MChess. So in consequence this
>autoplayer was available for ChessBase since summer. The SSDF received
>this special autoplayer some months later. Perhaps you can agree, that
>this procedure makes me a little bit sceptical......
>
>4.) The SSDF - Version of Fritz 5 requires 64 MB RAM size for minimum.
>This request is absolutly unusual and a privilege, which no other has
>demanded. Perhaps we see in the future the programm "kalashinkov X.Y.",
>which requires a minimum of Pentium II 400 MHz, 256 MB RAm ....etc.
>
>5.) Fritz 5.0 is tested with endgame databases. Is this also the case
>with other programs such as MChess 7.1 or Shredder ???
>
>These are the facts for my doubts. To make it very clear again : I have
>NOTHING against Fritz 5 or against the work of the SSDF. If somebody
>suspect, that here is a campaign against one these two parties, then
>this impression is wrong ! But I see only one way to stop all negative
>rumors :
>
>The SSDF shouldn`t allow these special conditions and continue the
>testwork with their well known basic principles --> testing only
>programs in a commercially available form, to which every computer chess
>fan in the world has access.
>
>If not, then we `ll have two versions of programs in the future :
>
>1.) one for the public
>2.) one for the SSDF
>
>In my view not a very good development.
>
>Let me know what you think !
>
>-Peter



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