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Subject: Re: SSDF, Fritz5 games

Author: Jan-Frode Myklebust

Date: 10:27:40 02/28/98

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On February 28, 1998 at 11:30:55, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>>Doesn't it? If the SSDF results are supposed to give some sort of rating
>>depending on the strengt of the programs/computer/whatever, I don't see
>>why testing 200mmx vs. 90 don't give any usefull information. It's
>>basicly the same as having a stronger player play a week one. The
>>stronger side have more to loose, and little to gain.
>
>No - its not the same !

Not? Then please explain what the difference is. Here we have several
different software/hardware combinations, and want to rate their
strengt. Why shouldn't we test software on weaker hardware against
software stronger hardware?

>If you get a kiss from a robot-girl and a kiss from a woman, is it the
>same ?

Don't know, never tried this. But if you want to measure only the
physical act, I see no reason why not. But I guess "the best kisser" is
harder to find, than the best chessplayer, since finding the best kisser
is a lot more subjectiv than declaring a winner in chessgames.

>What do you want to explain to me ? That computer can write poems ??
>No the can't.
>They do not play chess, they TRY to play chess by emulating it.
>And emulations stuck due to different reasons if you change the
>setup-parameters.
>
>
>>It's probably like beeing in a world of IM's, and suddenly a bunch of
>>GM's turns up beating the crap out of the IM's. Should we then stop
>>testing IM's against GM's? :)
>
>No IM is speeded up 3 times and is GM !

OK, change the IM to club player then. The point is the same.

>How would Fischer play against his clone if his clone is doped and plays
>3 times faster ?
>How would Kasparov play against a kasparov clone if the clon gets more
>hash ?
>You cannot relate this.
>The key is that
>a) there is NO absolute playing strength (even between humans there is a
>parameter called PLAYING STYLE that overwrites offen the parameter
>playing-strength and makes it impossible to measure who is stronger)

The SSDF isn't trying to measure playing style, and noone said they
were.

>b) computers do only emulate chess.

So? Why not test the different hardware against eachother?


janfrode



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