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Subject: Re: New SSDF-List - especially for Thorsten

Author: Jan-Frode Myklebust

Date: 10:55:00 02/28/98

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On February 28, 1998 at 12:28:00, Peter Schreiner wrote:
[snip]
>The published list of the SSDF is a trusted source of information for
>many years. The basic
>principle of the SSDF was, that chess programs and computers were tested
>ONLY in EXACTLY THE
>SAME FORM, as they were AVAILABLE in the public. This basic principle is
>the argument, which made
>the SSDF ratings VALUABLE for all interested people. One additional
>aspect is the fact, that the
>SSDF is non-commercial. Okay until now ?
>
>Now, in my knowledge for the first time, the SSDF allowed a producer of
>chess software, to participate
>with a SPECIAL hardware/software configuration, which is in difference
>to MChess, Rebel,Hiarcs, Genius etc.
>NOT COMMERCIALLY available !! So for me it`s absolutly uninteresting,
>what you or anybody else believe. I
>see there some danger, that in the future the SSDF rating list will
>become WORTHLESS , unless
>they will return to their basic principles.
>

I just want to add that I don't think this is completely true. I believe
Junior was on that list for a long time, before it was available to the
public.


>Looking to the SSDF-Ratinglist from the 22.02.98 I want to discuss the
>following points with my friends
>here in CCC :
>
>1.)In difference to ALL other programs in the list Fritz 5 have been
>tested with a special Powerbook, which is normal NOT delivered with
>Fritz 5 ! Some guys told us here -- I think it was Moritz -- that the
>book wasn`t tuned against other programs. But this is not my point :
>this special book wasn`t supplied with F5, why did the SSDF accept this
>?

It says on <http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-36794/ssdf/comment.htm> that
fritz 5 was tested with mostly with the Powerbook (isn't it the same
Powerbook commersially available?), and with ordinary book.


>
>3.) If you read the magazine CSS = ComputerSchach & Spiele then you `ll
>find in earlier editions a lot of
>results between Fritz 5 against some other programs like Rebel, Genius
>or MChess. So in consequence this
>autoplayer was available for ChessBase since summer. The SSDF received
>this special autoplayer some months later. Perhaps you can agree, that
>this procedure makes me a little bit sceptical......

I think we should trust chessbase.

>
>4.) The SSDF - Version of Fritz 5 requires 64 MB RAM size for minimum.
>This request is absolutly unusual and a privilege, which no other has
>demanded. Perhaps we see in the future the programm "kalashinkov X.Y.",
>which requires a minimum of Pentium II 400 MHz, 256 MB RAm ....etc.
>

How much memory does the other top programs use in the tests? I don't
think 64  MB RAM is unreasonable, as long as it's not more than the
other programs.


>The SSDF shouldn`t allow these special conditions and continue the
>testwork with their well known basic principles --> testing only
>programs in a commercially available form, to which every computer chess
>fan in the world has access.

Again. They have tested unavailable programs before.



janfrode



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