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Subject: Re: New SSDF-List - especially for Thorsten

Author: Moritz Berger

Date: 13:53:06 02/28/98

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On February 28, 1998 at 12:28:00, Peter Schreiner wrote:

>1.)In difference to ALL other programs in the list Fritz 5 have been
>tested with a special Powerbook, which is normal NOT delivered with
>Fritz 5 ! Some guys told us here -- I think it was Moritz -- that the
>book wasn`t tuned against other programs. But this is not my point :
>this special book wasn`t supplied with F5, why did the SSDF accept this
>?

The power book was made with ChessBase 6 from (400.000?) GM games.
It is commercially available.
ChessBase decided not to sell "Fritz Pro" at a higher price but to offer
a "Fritz Standard" with optional power book for "Power users" (i.e.
people who want maximum "book knowledge").

>2.) Fritz 5 wasn`t tested with the standard auto232 interface. It only
>works with a SPECIAL hard/software
>combination supplied by the producer.

The ENGINE is identical. This is everything that should matter, or am I
mistaken?


>
>3.) If you read the magazine CSS = ComputerSchach & Spiele then you `ll
>find in earlier editions a lot of
>results between Fritz 5 against some other programs like Rebel, Genius
>or MChess. So in consequence this
>autoplayer was available for ChessBase since summer. The SSDF received
>this special autoplayer some months later. Perhaps you can agree, that
>this procedure makes me a little bit sceptical......

Of course, the Fritz engine has probably also been tuned against the
other programs. But not the book (unlike you-know-which-program ...).

>4.) The SSDF - Version of Fritz 5 requires 64 MB RAM size for minimum.
>This request is absolutly unusual and a privilege, which no other has
>demanded. Perhaps we see in the future the programm "kalashinkov X.Y.",
>which requires a minimum of Pentium II 400 MHz, 256 MB RAm ....etc.

64 MB RAM cost about $125. That's less than Fritz itself. I don't think
that 64 MB are unreasonable, at least for those who would appreciate an
e.g. 100 ELO improvement compared to a machine with 16 MB ...

>5.) Fritz 5.0 is tested with endgame databases. Is this also the case
>with other programs such as MChess 7.1 or Shredder ???

The true (and only) mistake is the fact that the SSDF did not use the
included databases with those programs. But doesn't this explain exactly
why the ChessBase people made their program check if it was running in a
"proper" environment?



>The SSDF shouldn`t allow these special conditions and continue the
>testwork with their well known basic principles --> testing only
>programs in a commercially available form, to which every computer chess
>fan in the world has access.
>
>If not, then we `ll have two versions of programs in the future :
>
>1.) one for the public
>2.) one for the SSDF


Again: The chess engine is the same (so 1.) is the same as 2.))The book
is available. Only missing piece is the Auto232 autoplayer, you know
why. Did you ever wonder why Ed Schröder took those Rebel 8 games (600+
of them) from his web site? He was basically giving everyboey a "killer
book" against Rebel for free ... Next step is not to make Auto232
autoplayer drivers publically available ...

Moritz



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