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Subject: Re: If you like to solve a mate...

Author: Heiner Marxen

Date: 13:58:23 02/06/01

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On February 06, 2001 at 16:29:06, leonid wrote:

>On February 06, 2001 at 08:59:10, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>
>>On February 06, 2001 at 06:21:32, leonid wrote:
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>If you like to solve forced mate...
>>>
>>>[D]BKB4R/R1R5/6r1/B3bbr1/4bbb1/1R1bbbb1/3b4/6k1 b - -
>>>
>>>Please say your result.
>>>Leonid.
>>
>>Huh, for this one Chest finds 6 different solutions in 7 moves:
>>
>>Bxa5  Rb1+ Bxb1  Rh1+  Bxh1   Bc6   Bexc7+ Ka8   Bxc6+  Rb7  Bxb7+  Bxb7 Rg8#
>>Bxa8  Rab7 Bxc7+ Bxc7  Baxb7  Rb1+  Bxb1   Rh1+  Bxh1   Bxb7 Bxc7+  Ka8  Rg8#
>>Bxc7+ Bxc7 Bxa7+ Kxa7  Bde3+  Rb6   Rxb6   Bc6   Rxc6+  Bb6  Bb8+   Ka8  Rxc8#
>>Bxc8  Bc6  Bxc7+ Bxc7  Bxa7+  Ka8   Bxc6+  Kxa7  Bde3+  Rb6  Ra5+   Kb8  Bxc7#
>>Bxh8  Bab7 Bxc7+ Bxc7  Bxc7+  Ka8   Bxb7+  Rbxb7 B5e4   Bf5  Bxb7+  Rxb7 Ra6#
>>Rg8   Bb6  Bxc7+ Bxc7  Rxh8   Ra1+  Bde1   Rxe1+ Bxe1   Bb7  Bxc7+  Ka8  Rxc8#
>>
>>7.7 minutes K7/600 60MB hash.
>>In the last depth there was sort of an explosion:
>>#  1      0.00  0.87          1-         0
>>#  2      0.00  1.00          1-         0
>>#  3      0.01  0.97         57-         0
>>#  4      0.10  1.07        599-         0
>>#  5      0.78  1.19       4747-         0
>>#  6      9.84  1.33      58492-         0
>>#  7    456.38  1.67    2705767-   1136381
>>(depth seconds speed   nodes in  nodes out)
>>
>>I have not yet tried with side to move switched ;-)
>>
>>Heiner
>
>Probably this position is the champion by the number of possible solutions.
>
>Mine can't take this position by selective in 7 moves. Only brute force do the
>work. In 7, first solution come in 1 min 12 sec. It is nice that you find in 7.
>Without this was not even sure if search by brute force have some sense. Mine
>first solved position by default selective in 13 moves. Too far away! Time, 0.33
>sec.
>
>Cheers,
>Leonid.

I do not quite understand...  when your program finds a forced mate in 0.33
seconds, isn't that great?  This "shortest mate" business as done by Chest
is interesting, but not a big deal for a chess playing program, I think.
For a playing program it is important to quickly find a forced mate,
if there is one, but it need not at all be the shortest.  It shall be quick.
Do you disagree?

Heiner



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