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Subject: Re: Can computers play chess?

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 18:18:50 02/06/01

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On February 06, 2001 at 17:53:02, Torstein Hall wrote:

>Of course they can, but take a look at the following postion I found at Tim
>Krabbes http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/diary.htm web site.
>
>[D]5k2/2Q5/8/8/5p2/5P2/5P2/K7 w - - 0 1
>

With TBs, it will probably the easiest for many chess programs to fint the mate
in 25. Yace sees immediately the following:

       339   0.187  Mat25  2t  1.Qf7+ Kxf7 {EGTB} 2.Kb2! Ke6! 3.Kc3! Kd5!
                               4.Kd3! Ke5! 5.Kc4! Ke6 6.Kd4! Kf5! 7.Kd5! Kf6
                               8.Ke4! Kf7 9.Kxf4! Ke6! 10.Ke4 Kf6 11.f4! Ke6!
                               12.f5+ Kf6 13.f3 Kf7 14.Ke5! Kg7 15.f6+ Kf7
                               16.Kf5! Kf8! 17.Ke6! Ke8! 18.f7+ Kf8! 19.f4!
                               Kg7 20.Ke7! Kg6 21.f8=Q! Kh7! 22.Qe8 Kg7!
                               23.Qh5 Kg8 24.Kf6! Kf8 25.Qh8# {1081}

and soon after this a slightly shorter mate

      8733   0.791  Mat23  5t  1.Kb2 Kg8 2.Qg7+ Kxg7 {EGTB} 3.Kc3! Kg6 4.Kd3
                               Kf5! 5.Kd4! Kf6 6.Ke4! Kf7 7.Kxf4! Ke6! 8.Ke4
                               Kf6 9.f4! Ke6! 10.f5+ Kf6 11.f3 Kf7 12.Ke5! Kg7
                               13.f6+ Kf7 14.Kf5! Kf8! 15.Ke6! Ke8! 16.f7+
                               Kf8! 17.f4! Kg7 18.Ke7! Kg6 19.f8=Q! Kh7!
                               20.Qe8 Kg7! 21.Qh5 Kg8 22.Kf6! Kf8 23.Qh8#
                               {1081}

Again a little bit shorter:

     50206   1.424  Mat22  7t  1.Kb2 Kg8 2.Kc2 Kf8 3.Qf7+ Kxf7 {EGTB} 4.Kd3!
                               Kg7 5.Ke4! Kf7 6.Kxf4! Ke6! 7.Ke4 Kf6 8.f4!
                               Ke6! 9.f5+ Kf6 10.f3 Kf7 11.Ke5! Kg7 12.f6+ Kf7
                               13.Kf5! Kf8! 14.Ke6! Ke8! 15.f7+ Kf8! 16.f4!
                               Kg7 17.Ke7! Kg6 18.f8=Q! Kh7! 19.Qe8 Kg7!
                               20.Qh5 Kg8 21.Kf6! Kf8 22.Qh8# {1081}

And then, after less then 10 seconds

    926090   6.832  Mat06 11t  1.Kb2 Kg8 2.Kc3 Kh8 3.Kd4 Kg8 4.Ke5 Kf8 5.Kf6
                               Ke8 6.Qe7# {1081}

Is it very unhuman, to go for a winning position, that you are certain, that you
will win? Perhaps you have some position, that you can force to trade to say
KBNK, and you know, that you will be abel to win this. Is it bad? Even, when you
could have mated in 10 moves, but now, you will need almost 40 moves. I don't
think so ...

Regards,
Dieter





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