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Subject: Re: (Supposed) Mate in 25 => Kasparov v. World (1999)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:36:34 02/06/01

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On February 07, 2001 at 01:28:20, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On February 06, 2001 at 18:09:49, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>This position is actually one move after the end of the game. According to Garry
>>"after 62...Qc6+ 63.Kg5 it is a forced Mate in 25". Was he right? The position
>>below is after 62...Qc6+.
>>
>>Best of Luck!
>>
>>[D]8/6P1/2q2K2/8/3p4/8/5Q2/2k5 w
>>
>>Of course, anybody with 6-man TBs can give us the answer right away. My
>>apologies if this has been brought up before; I couldn't recall....
>>
>>CM8000's results:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	3/5	1.57	16962		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kf4
>>					d3 66. Qc5+ Kb2
>>0:00	4/6	1.89	51116		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kh6
>>					Qd6+ 66. Qg6 Qh2+ 67. Qh5 Qd2+
>>					68. Qg5
>>0:02	5/7	2.70	210397		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qg2+ 65. Kh6
>>					Qh1+ 66. Qh5 Qc6+ 67. Kh7 Qc7 68.
>>					Qh1+ Kc2 69. Qf3
>>0:06	6/8	3.76	572540		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qg2+ 65. Kh6
>>					Kb2 66. Qb5+ Kc3 67. Qc5+ Kb3 68.
>>					Qxd4 Qh3+ 69. Kg5 Qe6
>>0:16	7/9	3.71	1456515		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kh6
>>					Qg8 66. Qf4+ Kc2 67. Qxd4 Qe6+
>>					68. Kh7 Qf5+ 69. Kg8 Qe6+ 70. Kf8
>>0:47	8/10	3.73	4181034		63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kh6
>>					Qd6+ 66. Kh5 Qh2+ 67. Kg6 Qd6+
>>					68. Qf6 Qb8 69. Qxd4 Qe8+ 70. Kh6
>>					Qe6+ 71. Kh7
>>2:22	9/11	3.99	12981951	63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kh6
>>					Qd6+ 66. Kh5 Qh2+ 67. Kg6 Qd6+
>>					68. Qf6 Qb8 69. Kh7 Qc7 70. Qxd4
>>					Qc2+ 71. Kh8 Qh2+ 72. Kg8
>>21:52	10/12	4.90	115655957	63. Kg5 Qd5+ 64. Qf5 Qd8+ 65. Kg6
>>					Qd6+ 66. Qf6 Qb8 67. Qg5+ Kb2 68.
>>					Qd2+ Kb1 69. Qd3+ Kb2 70. Qxd4+
>>					Kb1 71. Qd1+ Kb2 72. Qd2+ Kb1 73.
>>					Kh7 Qc7 74. Qd3+ Kb2
>>
>>jm
>
>
>Hello Jim! Yes I remeber Kasparov claiming mate in 25 0r 26 moves witht Deep
>Junior running on a quad Xenon 450 mgh. with a huge amount of ram and half a
>gig. cache!
>
>I ran the moves through Fritz6 on a P-III 500, infinate analysis, letting it
>decide what was the best move and it took it a while with me forcing moves to
>announce mate.
>However it did find a mate this way in 27 moves, so I would think Kasparov +
>Deep Junior we're right in claiming checkmate within 25 or 26 moves.
>
>Terry

I believe that fritz is not a good program in finding mates.
I analyzed positions with Deep Fritz when Deep Fritz failed high again and again
without finding a mate.

I remember that yace did better result in the same position so maybe you should
try yace.

Uri



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