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Subject: Re: Twin miniatures [by Werner Speckmann,1955] Mate in 17

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:36:00 02/08/01

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On February 08, 2001 at 02:20:20, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On February 07, 2001 at 14:55:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 07, 2001 at 14:12:34, Heiner Marxen wrote:
>>
>>>Finally, after nearly 11 days Chest completed the mate in 17 miniature,
>>>as posted by José Antônio Fabiano Mendes on January 26, 2001 at 06:55:42.
>>>(K7/600, 350MB hash)
>>>[D]8/p7/8/2p5/p3Q3/K7/2r5/1k6 w - -
>>>
>>>Chest finds two solutions:  Qe1+ and Qh1+.
>>>The second key move spans a much smaller tree than the first: 60 lines
>>>versus over 2 million lines (ouch).  I have not yet analysed why it grew
>>>sooo huge.  Here are the PVs:
>>>
>>> 1.Qe1+ Rc1 Qe5  Rc2
>>
>>I guess that the tree is huge because of the possible move 2...Kc2 3.Qe2+ Kc3
>>4.Qb2+ instead of 2...Rc2.
>>
>>I guess that chest found that 4.Qb2+ is enough for mate in 14 but I am not sure
>>about it.
>>
>>Chess playing programs like the line 1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1+ Rc1 4.Qd3+ Rc2
>>5.Qf1+ Rc1 6.Qb5+ Kc2 7.Qe2+ Kc3 8.Qb2+ when white get the same positionas after
>>4.Qb2+ in the above line.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I am trying Century 3.1 under Rebel-Tiger and it takes 1 hour and
>10 minutes.
>
>Ed
>
>------------
>00:02  07.02  3.58   1.Qe1+
>00:02  07.02  3.58   1.Qe1+
>00:03  07.02  5.89   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1 Ke4  (2)
>
>00:03  08.00  5.89   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1 Ke4  (3)
>
>00:04  09.00  5.89   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1 a6  (4)
>
>00:07  10.00  6.55   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kc4 9.Qxc1 Kb5 10.Qf1 Ka5  (5)
>
>00:13  11.00  6.89   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1 c4 10.Qd1 Kc3  (10)
>
>00:27  12.00  7.06   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1 c4 10.Kxa4 c3 11.Qd1
>                       Kc4  (19)
>
>01:09  13.00  7.37   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kc4 9.Qxc1 Kb5 10.Qd1  (46)
>
>03:05  14.00  8.04   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2 Kc3
>                       8.Qb2 Kd3 9.Qxc1  (127)
>
>09:54  15.00  8.33   1.Qe1+ Rc1 2.Qd2 Rc2 3.Qd1 Rc1 4.Qd3
>                       Rc2 5.Qf1 Rc1 6.Qb5 Kc2 7.Qe2  (406)
>
>05:42  16.00  Mate in 14 moves 1.Qe1+ Rc1 Qd2 2.Rc2 Qd1 3.Rc1 Qd3 4.Rc2
>                       Qf1 5.Rc1 Qf5 6.Rc2 Qe4 7.a6 Qh1
>                       8.Rc1 Qh7 9.Rc2 Qe4 10.a5 Qh1 11.Rc1
>                       Qh7 12.Ka1  (3942)

I see that there is an error in writing the moves in the last line(1.Qe1+ Rc1
2.Qd2 should be written and the 2 is only for Rc2.

The mate in 14 is also wrong
12...Ka1 is an error and better is 12...Rc2 when white needs more moves to mate.

Uri



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