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Subject: Re: SSDF, Fritz5 games

Author: Peter Herttrich

Date: 01:42:39 03/03/98

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On February 28, 1998 at 18:03:48, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On February 28, 1998 at 13:08:03, Andreas Mader wrote:
>
>>
>>Sorry Thorsten, I have nothing against you and I respect your opinion,
>>but from a statistical point of view all you write is pure nonsense.
>>
>>If you want to continue arguing on an irrational basis its ok (but
>>nobody will take you seriously), but
>>
>>PLEASE
>>PLEASE
>>PLEASE
>>
>>stop trying to argue on a statistical basis. Believe me, what you are
>>saying is absolutely irrelevant, wrong, nonsense and/or ridiculous.
>>
>
>
>Dear Andreas. No reason to become that personal.
>Did I attack you ?
>
>We want 100 % the same.
>
>You don't understand me, as I can see from your statements.
>Maybe what I say is to abstract for you.
>But, when I say it with you own words, I would have to say:
>
>>What the SSDF does is correct when it comes to statistics.
>>
>>What the SSDF does is wrong IMO when it comes to the
>>hardware/software-settings of Fritz 5. It's a pity!
>
>
>!!! Exactly this is what I want to explain.
>
>The ssdf-guys do their statistics. And they do them right. As they have
>ever done. But they do not measure chess strength !
>
>You cannot measure something about chess if you don't look into the
>games.
>If somebody presents you only the soccer data, not the games themselves.
>Only the bundesliga and their results, than you would not be able to
>find out just out of the results, which club is the strongest.
>I know YOU would claim that you could find out by looking at the
>results. But this is not true.
>You would measure again quantity. But not quality.

Good spoken!
A shorter simpler example: Crafty is not in the SSDF list.
So it is a weak patzer? No it is a damned dangerous program.
I know this, i play with it, i have seen many many games.

"Dont believe to the statistic, if it not Your own fake"  :-)

Peter




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