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Subject: Re: Topalov-Shirov

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:12:28 02/15/01

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On February 15, 2001 at 03:56:10, Eelco de Groot wrote:

>On February 14, 2001 at 01:39:23, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On February 13, 2001 at 20:43:07, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>
>>>No i am just showing that this isn't tough compared to the others and i think
>>>there should be a new suite with problems not solved under 1hour but some
>>>positions are solve in 30minutes with one program and 5 with another....
>>
>>I think it would be really neat if someone created a new set of positions to
>>perhaps replace the Nolot ones.  It's known that a couple of the Nolot solutions
>>are at least slightly dubious (#9 being foremost, #3 and #6 might also be, and
>>it can be argued that the solution to #8 may not be the "best" move).  Also
>>nowadays, at least #11 is too easy for computers to be in a suite of "unsolvable
>>by computer" problems.
>>
>>Maybe if I have the time I'll look for some positions where the solution is
>>really the best move, provide/find analysis for them, and make sure they're
>>really hard for computers.
>>
>>One position that comes to mind already is Shirov's 47. ...Bh3!! against
>>Topalov, Linares 1998:
>>(I hope the diagram is correct.)
>>[D]8/8/4kpp1/3p1b2/p6P/2B5/6P1/6K1 b - -
>>
>>Computers find this extremely difficult, at the least. :)
>
>Are you sure this is the correct position, Jeremiah? Q5T personality for Rebel
>Century 2.0, only 512Kb transposition tables and 5 more engines in background,
>me typing and connecting to Internet:

Q5T was not generated to play chess and it is also going to find some wrong
combinations.
I suspect that you can find every best move by defining the right personality.
It proves nothing.


The point is that as far as I know no playing program can find Bh3.

>The Nolot position No.11 it has a lot more problems with finding the best move!

I guess that by changing parameters you can solve nolot number 11 in less than 1
seconds.
It is possible that Q5T is not the right personality for this position.

Uri




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