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Subject: Re: Glutonous Programs !!! Can avoid your program 12.Dxh1??

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 15:18:05 02/19/01

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On February 19, 2001 at 11:23:32, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 19, 2001 at 11:06:08, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2001 at 03:31:30, Tim Foden wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2001 at 15:09:05, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not one of the programs you mention, but Comet takes the bait.  I gave up after
>>>>an hour.  Hook, line & sinker, oh well, thought there was a chance, but I don't
>>>>think it was posible for it to see far enough ahead.
>>>>
>>>>Pete
>>>>
>>>>[D]rn2kb1r/ppn1p1pp/2p1Ppb1/3q4/3N2P1/1QP4P/PP1N1P2/R1B1KB1R b KQkq - 0 12; id
>>>>"Gluton";
>>>>
>>>>Comet-B.28    Sun Feb 18 13:02:06 2001
>>>>
>>>>depth	score	  sec	  nodes		  pv
>>>> 1.	+2.96	    0	      866	 d5h1  b3b7
>>>> 2.	+2.96	    0	     1182	 d5h1  b3b7
>>>> 3.	+2.44	    0	     3574	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8
>>>> 4.	+2.25	    0	     7982	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5
>>>> 4.	+2.25	    0	     8678	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5
>>>> 5.	+2.92	    0	    21604	 d5h1  b3b7  g6c2
>>>> 6?	+2.78	    0	    24763	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  g6e4
>>>> 6?	+2.51	    0	    38805	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>> 6?	+2.24	    0	    43140	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>> 6.	+2.22	    0	    52667	 d5h1  b3b7  b8a6  d4b5  e8d8  b5a7
>>>> 6.	+2.22	    0	    55598	 d5h1  b3b7  b8a6  d4b5  e8d8  b5a7
>>>> 7.	+2.15	    1	   157493	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7
>>>> 7.	+2.15	    1	   177001	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7
>>>> 8?	+2.01	    1	   205260	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  h1f1  d2f1  c6b5
>>>> 8.	+1.91	    2	   329122	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7  g6e8
>>>> 8.	+1.91	    2	   353806	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7  g6e8
>>>> 9!	+2.04	    4	   705049	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b7a8  c7a8
>>>> 9.	+2.19	    5	   959858	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7  d8e8
>>>> 9.	+2.19	    6	  1084318	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d4b5  b8a6  b5a7  d8e8
>>>>10?	+2.05	    9	  1650528	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>10?	+1.78	   12	  2379000	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>>10?	+1.51	   14	  2731988	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>>10.	+1.25	   18	  3447140	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>10.	+1.25	   20	  3715830	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>11.	+1.25	   38	  7613106	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>11.	+1.25	   45	  8762497	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>12?	+1.11	   59	 11721877	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>12!	+1.11	  105	 21140255	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  b7a8  c7a8
>>>>12.	+1.11	  105	 21140255	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  b7a8  c7a8
>>>>13.	+1.11	  431	 96884272	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>13.	+1.11	  472	103982126	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>14?	+0.97	  544	121290607	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>14?	+0.70	  746	160243180	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>>14?	+0.43	 1261	249876805	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>>14?	+0.16	 1552	309282748	 d5h1  b3b7  h1f1  d2f1  c7e6
>>>>14.	+0.00	 2101	426054442	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>14.	+0.00	 2273	454616752	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>15.	+0.00	 3600	788006973	 d5h1  b3b7  e8d8  d2f3  g6d3  c1f4  h1f1
>>>>
>>>>==> My Move: d5h1 in 60:00
>>>
>>>Green Light also has the same problem.  It only sees a draw, even after 8 hours.
>>>
>>>Cheers, Tim.
>>>
>>>GLC2.13-pr1, 920MHz Duron, 48Mb hash.
>>>
>>>>hash 48
>>> Hash table size set to: 48.0MB
>>>>anal
>>> Game stage: Opening
>>> Current eval: 0.28
>>> Ply  Time  Score   Nodes  Principal Variation
>>>  4   0.01   3.38    6348  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Nxc6
>>>  5   0.01   3.44    8068  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Qxc6+ Qxc6 Nxc6 Nc5
>>>  5   0.03   3.44   15690  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Qxc6+ Qxc6 Nxc6 Nc5
>>>  6   0.07   3.17   21644  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Nb5 Kd8 Nxa7
>>>  6   0.11   3.17   40216  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Nb5 Kd8 Nxa7
>>>  7   0.13   3.21   49074  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Nb5 Kd8 Nxa7 Be4
>>>  7   0.21   3.21   98679  Qxh1 Qxb7 Nba6 Nb5 Kd8 Nxa7 Be4
>>>  8   0.29   2.80  139938  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 <ht>
>>>  8   0.56   2.80  318121  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 <ht>
>>>  9   0.66   2.95  376025  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Be8 Kd1 g5
>>>  9   1.12   2.95  661374  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Be8 Kd1 g5
>>> 10   1.48   3.02  877044  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Be8 Qb6 Rb8 Qe3
>>> 10   2.15   3.02 1311687  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Be8 Qb6 Rb8 Qe3
>>> 11  10.13     -- 5740010  Qxh1    (a=2.52 b=3.52 e=2.52)
>>> 11  11.07   2.50 6266320  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Ke8 Nb5 Qd5 Nxc7+ Nxc7
>>>                             Qxc7 Qxe6+ Be2 Rxa2
>>> 11  15.23   2.50 8873573  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 Nb5 Nba6 Nxa7 Ke8 Nb5 Qd5 Nxc7+ Nxc7
>>>                             Qxc7 Qxe6+ Be2 Rxa2
>>> 12  45.80     --  25548k  Qxh1    (a=2.00 b=3.00 e=2.00)
>>> 12  52.18   0.00  28787k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 12   3:04   0.00  96092k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 13   3:07     ++  97603k  Qxh1    (a=-0.50 b=0.50 e=0.50)
>>> 13   4:56     -- 152184k  Qxh1    (a=0.49 b=321.00 e=0.49)
>>> 13   5:10   0.00 158846k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 13   9:41   0.00 292451k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 14  10:08   0.00 305521k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 14  22:28   0.00 663237k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 15  24:39   0.00 735109k  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 15  59:25   0.00   1753m  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3 Nba6
>>>                             Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 16 1:11:10   0.00   2145m  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3
>>>                             Nba6 Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 16 2:59:54   0.00   5334m  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3
>>>                             Nba6 Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 17 4:03:43   0.00   7443m  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3
>>>                             Nba6 Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 17 8:32:58   0.00  15317m  Qxh1 Qxb7 Kd8 N2f3 Bd3 Bf4 Qxf1+ Kd2 Qxf2+ Kxd3
>>>                             Nba6 Bxc7+ Nxc7 Nxc6+ Ke8 Ncd4 Kd8 Nc6+
>>> 18 8:54:35   0/40          Qxh1   >exit
>>> local:  t=8:54:43  nps=497888.7  n=15974248114  (f=3004817206  q=12969430908)
>>> total:  t=8:54:43  nps=497888.7  n=15974248114  draws=16259074
>>> trans:  probes=-1306471396  hits=391137974 (-29.94%)  draft=266614738 (-20.41%)
>>>
>>> tcuts:  exact=5116 (-0.00%)  upper=212037020 (-16.23%)  lower=52259618 (-4.00%)
>>>
>>> tstor:  exact=13838 (0.00%)  upper=1425328945 (74.05%)  lower=499593219 (25.95%
>>>)
>>> ext:  check=1319366376  recap=27671040  ppush=9574030  1rep=103836713  thrt=0
>>> q-moves:  gen=-453904512  tested=959274467  made/un=1564690153  max-dep=17
>>> max eval diff:  part-1=4.05  part-2=2.19
>>>>
>>
>>8 hours??  I didn't get that far, but I just stopped Comet after it looked at
>>the position for about 6-1/2 hrs.  Nothing new, a couple extra search depths,
>>and the score keeps dropping.
>
>Nothing new?
>
>I see something new and important.
>
>The score is not 0.00 and I expect the score to contimue to drop.
>The score dropped by 0.14 and I expect it to drop by 0.27 again and again.
>
>The main problem of chess programs is to see that the score is smaller than 0.00
>so Comet did most of the work and I expect it to find a better move at depth 17.
>
>Uri

Well, that was 17 there, so maybe it would find something at 18.  It's hard to
give up the computer for more than 6 hours, maybe Comet could do it in 8 hours,
but I'm not really sure if there would be much of a point in doing that.  But
being a gluton, I might give it a try.

Pete



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