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Subject: Re: Glutonous Programs !!! Can avoid your program 12.Dxh1??

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 21:22:57 02/19/01

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On February 19, 2001 at 23:14:04, Chessfun wrote:

>On February 18, 2001 at 23:18:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2001 at 01:22:38, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi to all,
>>>
>>>This is a beautiful game by the Great Master Leonid Stein.
>>>I am interested to know, How many programs can avoid the fatal mistake 21.Qxh1?
>>>
>>>Deep Fritz can avoid that!!!, Deep Fritz  can see that Qxb3 is better than Qxh1.
>>> Junior6 and Hiarcs7.32 and Fritz6 can´t avoid that...
>>>
>>>The position is very interesting, in this kind of position you can see some
>>>computer weak points, (the machines sometimes have so much appetite, and can´t
>>>see the great atack by White after move 21.
>>>
>>>Another question?  Which program can find 12.Qb3!  ???? (with a winning endgame)
>>>- because after change Queens, White is much better.  I think there are no
>>>program that can find this move.
>>
>>I think that you are wrong and there are programs that can find 12.Qb3 in less
>>than an hour on fast hardware(I guess that Junior is one of them because
>>Junior5.9 on p200 can find 12.Qb3 in less than 4 hours with 0.00 evaluation)
>
>rn2kb1r/ppn1p1pp/2p1Ppb1/3q4/3N2P1/1QP4P/PP1N1P2/R1B1KB1R b KQkq - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Junior 6.0: On thunderbird 900 at 945 mhz with 128 mb hash.
>
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17   00:01:31  57667kN
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18   00:05:22  199587kN
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19   00:13:21  496604kN
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 20   00:29:23  1084318kN
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21   01:03:15  2383009kN
>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7
>  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 22   03:04:50  2901138kN
>
>Sarah.

I said that I guess that it can find 12.Qb3 in less than an hour and not that it
can avoid 12...Qxh1 in less than an hour.

The 0.30 number is typical for Junior.

When Junior fails low the evaluation is often changed by 0.30 before going to
the next iteration.

Uri



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