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Subject: Re: Glutonous Programs !!! Can avoid your program 12.Dxh1??

Author: Chessfun

Date: 23:15:09 02/19/01

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On February 20, 2001 at 00:22:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 19, 2001 at 23:14:04, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2001 at 23:18:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 18, 2001 at 01:22:38, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi to all,
>>>>
>>>>This is a beautiful game by the Great Master Leonid Stein.
>>>>I am interested to know, How many programs can avoid the fatal mistake 21.Qxh1?
>>>>
>>>>Deep Fritz can avoid that!!!, Deep Fritz  can see that Qxb3 is better than Qxh1.
>>>> Junior6 and Hiarcs7.32 and Fritz6 can´t avoid that...
>>>>
>>>>The position is very interesting, in this kind of position you can see some
>>>>computer weak points, (the machines sometimes have so much appetite, and can´t
>>>>see the great atack by White after move 21.
>>>>
>>>>Another question?  Which program can find 12.Qb3!  ???? (with a winning endgame)
>>>>- because after change Queens, White is much better.  I think there are no
>>>>program that can find this move.
>>>
>>>I think that you are wrong and there are programs that can find 12.Qb3 in less
>>>than an hour on fast hardware(I guess that Junior is one of them because
>>>Junior5.9 on p200 can find 12.Qb3 in less than 4 hours with 0.00 evaluation)
>>
>>rn2kb1r/ppn1p1pp/2p1Ppb1/3q4/3N2P1/1QP4P/PP1N1P2/R1B1KB1R b KQkq - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Junior 6.0: On thunderbird 900 at 945 mhz with 128 mb hash.
>>
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17   00:01:31  57667kN
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18   00:05:22  199587kN
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19   00:13:21  496604kN
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 20   00:29:23  1084318kN
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7 Kd8 14.N2f3 Bd3 15.Bf4 Qxf1+ 16.Kd2 Qxf2+ 17.Kxd3 Nba6
>>18.Bxc7+ Nxc7 19.Nxc6+ Ke8 20.Ncd4 Kd8
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21   01:03:15  2383009kN
>>12...Qxh1 13.Qxb7
>>  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 22   03:04:50  2901138kN
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>I said that I guess that it can find 12.Qb3 in less than an hour and not that it
>can avoid 12...Qxh1 in less than an hour.


I apologize, you are totally correct.


>The 0.30 number is typical for Junior.
>
>When Junior fails low the evaluation is often changed by 0.30 before going to
>the next iteration.


I was scared of going to the next as it may have been a couple of hours.

Sarah.




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