Author: Uri Blass
Date: 10:12:51 02/22/01
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On February 22, 2001 at 12:19:04, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On February 22, 2001 at 12:06:35, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On February 22, 2001 at 10:35:48, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On February 22, 2001 at 10:20:35, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On February 22, 2001 at 10:07:52, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 22, 2001 at 10:03:57, Mike S. wrote: >>>>>>(...) >>>>>>Due to this excellent service, we can also see how dangerous computerchess is: >>>>>>Somebodies feet got into the electric circuit: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/schach/download/ipccc_2001/IM000024.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>>Or has he been phazerized? :o) >>>> >>>>>for me is this clear. >>>>>On the monitor is Samatha Fox and all programmers will look this picture :-)) >>>> >>>>Ah... now I understand, why the man started to glow partially. I must make a >>>>self-experiment occasionally, if Sam affects me too like this. Maybe I can >>>>charge my batteries this way. :o) >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>M.Scheidl >>> >>> >>>Hi Michael, >>> >>>I think a little bit about other things is good when I write the long evening >>>about chess or my batteries are not longer available :-) >>> >>>Now we will see what Shredder make against Gandalf ! >>>50 : 50 but Shredder is playing with 2 processor so 40-45 : 60-55 for Gandalf. >>> >>>On the other hand the new Gandalf 4.32h version is stronger say top tester and >>>member of the Gandalf team Dan Wulff ! >>> >>>I can`t understand that Gandalf is playing under the MCS GUI. The GUI is good >>>but not perfect for WinBoard Engines for eng-eng matches. But this games are not >>>eng-eng matches :-) Have not try the GUI for normally matches. >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >> >>I hope that Gandalf is going to win but I am not optimistic because it seems >>that shredder is always better in the opening preperation(This is the only >>explanation that I can find for the fact that shredder wins almost every >>tournament in the last years including tournaments when other programs had >>hardware advantage) >> >>People who look only at the result of comp-comp tournaments that stefan >>participate in them(not tournament when every 2 programs play many games like >>Enrique's tournament) can think that shredder is at least 200 elo better than >>the other commercial programs and the ssdf results prove that it was never the >>case and that there is no program that is 200 elo better than the other top >>programs. >> >>Uri > >Hi Uri, > >the tournament from Enrique is for Gandalf not very intersting. I did not think about it for gandalf but for shredder. Shredder was not number 1 in this tournament when in almost every competition that stefan plays it is number 1(even in a competition when it had an hardware disadvantage and programs like old parallel Fritz5.xx,Ferret, old Deep Junior5.xx and old Nimzo participated). Being 100 elo better than programs like these programs is not enough to be number 1 in almost every tournament because the number of games is relatively small so the results suggest that shredder is about 200 elo better than the other top programs. It is also possible that shredder was lucky but when I see luck for shredder in every tournament when the programmer is involved then I start to suspect that it is not only luck but also better opening preperation. >Gandalf has a bug with big learn files and is playing the same "lose" openings. >Enrique was playing with big defect learn files. > >Furthermore, the Gandalf programmer have a lot of ideas but not the time for >this things. So he make a little bit here and here. I think Gandalf have the >best evaluation and is for correspondence chess clearly the best program. If >Steen have more time (version 4.32h is stronger then version 4.32g) I think >Gandalf is clear the number one ! I used Gandalf for my correspondence games but I am not convinced that it is best for correspondence games. I saw a case when gandalf evaluated positions in the middle game as +2 but could make no progress. I also remember cases in enrique tournament when gandalf lost against Deep Fritz when Deep Fritz sacrificed the excahabge and Deep Fritz understood the position better than gandalf. > >Look in the Gandalf games, this program is playing the most interesting attack >chess, have an excellent opening book. I think the endgame is the problem. > >I know over 1.500 Gandalf results and for me is clear that Gandalf is one of the >best 4 or maybe at the moment the best chess program in the world. Only good is >Gromit (very strong results, version 3.8) Shredder, Deep Fritz and Chess Tiger. > >But 200 ELO better than the other TOP programs :-)) >I think Shredder, Fritz, Tiger and Gandalf have ~ the same ELO +- 50 ELO. I agree and the point is that Shredder get better ranking than Fritz in every tournament that I know when both programs play and the programmers are present. Uri
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