Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 12:31:25 02/23/01
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On February 23, 2001 at 14:38:15, Chessfun wrote: >On February 23, 2001 at 12:21:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On February 23, 2001 at 07:58:46, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:52:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:05:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 06:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:54:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:49:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>With the best settings available for Nimzo 8 (Middlegame Mobility 55 and Style >>>>>>>>Allaround) instead of the default settings using my Athlon 800 MHz it seems to >>>>>>>>me that Nimzo 8 strength could be improved by as much as 30 points compared to >>>>>>>>its default settings. Dr.Chrilly you should take note of this and if is not too >>>>>>>>late, please modified Nimzo 8 settings for the remaining of the ICCP match. >>>>>>>I forgot to mention that Deep Fritz won the match, but it was not as bad as it >>>>>>>would have been with its default settings. >>>>>>I also understand that according to Christophe 50 games is not enough to proof >>>>>>anything, that I need at least 200 or more games, but I don't need 200 rounds to >>>>>>be beating by Mike Tyson, 10 rounds is sufficient for two professional boxers >>>>>>and in my case I might last 10 rounds if I train hard enough to run for 10 >>>>>>rounds. >>>>> >>>>>The number of games that you need is not constant and is dependent in the >>>>>result. >>>>> >>>>>I guess that everyone will agree in cases that original nimzo8 is losing 50-0 >>>>>against Deep Fritz when new Nimzo8 is winning 50-0 against Deep Fritz that 50 >>>>>games is more than enough to be convinced that the new setting is better. >>>>> >>>>>I do not think that you can claim that the new nimzo is better than the old >>>>>nimzo based on only one opponent and I think that you need to test both nimzo >>>>>against many programs because it is possible that one setting is 30 elo better >>>>>against Deep Fritz but 30 elo worse against another program. >>>>> >>>>>30 elo difference is a small number and 50 games are usually not enough to know >>>>>which version is 30 elo better. >>>>> >>>>>You can have a big probability to be wrong if you try to claim things like it >>>>>based on only 50 games(I guess that if the difference is 30 elo then you have >>>>>probability of about 30-40% to be wrong in saying which program is better based >>>>>on 50 games of both programs against Deep Fritz but I did not calculate it) >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I also tested the modified Nimzo settings against Fritz6e or english version >>>>using my second AMD K6-2 500 MHz computer and the score at G\25 after 15 games >>>>was W6 L5 D4 I will leave it for another day until it reaches 30 games. But I >>>>can assure you that I'm not the only one testing the modified Nimzo 8 settings, >>>>there are two other persons at this time that are testing too, once we put >>>>all of our testing scores together it will end up being at least more than >>>>100 games total. >>>> >>>PS: Sorry for the typographical errors, also Fritz6e is leading the second match >>>by 1 point so far using the K6-2 500 MHz. >>> >> >>I just checked my K6-2 500 MHz and the latest standing is W9 L7 D4 in favor of >>Fritz6e. >> >>>>Pichard. > > >Maybe more test than you realize. >Also maybe you don't have enough games to ever say these are the ultimate >Nimzo settings. Especially after one trial at game 25. > >This match was run on two seperate computers. TB 900 @ 945 mhz. >Ponder=off, game 25, hash 32 mb, both using native interface and book. >Games available. > >Nimzo 8 mm55 18 >Deep Fritz 28 > >From Nimzo's view +8 -18 =20 > >Sarah. You are correct to mention that we have not yet found the best Nimzo 8 settings just like with CM6000 it took me over a month to find a decent Personality and mine was one of the best three ever found. Pichard
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