Author: Chessfun
Date: 13:02:53 02/23/01
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On February 23, 2001 at 15:31:25, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On February 23, 2001 at 14:38:15, Chessfun wrote: > >>On February 23, 2001 at 12:21:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:58:46, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:52:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:05:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 06:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:54:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:49:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>With the best settings available for Nimzo 8 (Middlegame Mobility 55 and Style >>>>>>>>>Allaround) instead of the default settings using my Athlon 800 MHz it seems to >>>>>>>>>me that Nimzo 8 strength could be improved by as much as 30 points compared to >>>>>>>>>its default settings. Dr.Chrilly you should take note of this and if is not too >>>>>>>>>late, please modified Nimzo 8 settings for the remaining of the ICCP match. >>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that Deep Fritz won the match, but it was not as bad as it >>>>>>>>would have been with its default settings. >>>>>>>I also understand that according to Christophe 50 games is not enough to proof >>>>>>>anything, that I need at least 200 or more games, but I don't need 200 rounds to >>>>>>>be beating by Mike Tyson, 10 rounds is sufficient for two professional boxers >>>>>>>and in my case I might last 10 rounds if I train hard enough to run for 10 >>>>>>>rounds. >>>>>> >>>>>>The number of games that you need is not constant and is dependent in the >>>>>>result. >>>>>> >>>>>>I guess that everyone will agree in cases that original nimzo8 is losing 50-0 >>>>>>against Deep Fritz when new Nimzo8 is winning 50-0 against Deep Fritz that 50 >>>>>>games is more than enough to be convinced that the new setting is better. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not think that you can claim that the new nimzo is better than the old >>>>>>nimzo based on only one opponent and I think that you need to test both nimzo >>>>>>against many programs because it is possible that one setting is 30 elo better >>>>>>against Deep Fritz but 30 elo worse against another program. >>>>>> >>>>>>30 elo difference is a small number and 50 games are usually not enough to know >>>>>>which version is 30 elo better. >>>>>> >>>>>>You can have a big probability to be wrong if you try to claim things like it >>>>>>based on only 50 games(I guess that if the difference is 30 elo then you have >>>>>>probability of about 30-40% to be wrong in saying which program is better based >>>>>>on 50 games of both programs against Deep Fritz but I did not calculate it) >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>I also tested the modified Nimzo settings against Fritz6e or english version >>>>>using my second AMD K6-2 500 MHz computer and the score at G\25 after 15 games >>>>>was W6 L5 D4 I will leave it for another day until it reaches 30 games. But I >>>>>can assure you that I'm not the only one testing the modified Nimzo 8 settings, >>>>>there are two other persons at this time that are testing too, once we put >>>>>all of our testing scores together it will end up being at least more than >>>>>100 games total. >>>>> >>>>PS: Sorry for the typographical errors, also Fritz6e is leading the second match >>>>by 1 point so far using the K6-2 500 MHz. >>>> >>> >>>I just checked my K6-2 500 MHz and the latest standing is W9 L7 D4 in favor of >>>Fritz6e. >>> >>>>>Pichard. >> >> >>Maybe more test than you realize. >>Also maybe you don't have enough games to ever say these are the ultimate >>Nimzo settings. Especially after one trial at game 25. >> >>This match was run on two seperate computers. TB 900 @ 945 mhz. >>Ponder=off, game 25, hash 32 mb, both using native interface and book. >>Games available. >> >>Nimzo 8 mm55 18 >>Deep Fritz 28 >> >>From Nimzo's view +8 -18 =20 >> >>Sarah. > >You are correct to mention that we have not yet found the best Nimzo 8 settings That isn't what you had said in; http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?155388 Sarah. >just like with CM6000 it took me over a month to find a decent Personality and >mine was one of the best three ever found. > >Pichard
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