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Subject: Re: New Tune or in search of Nimzo 8 best personality ?

Author: Chessfun

Date: 15:48:02 02/23/01

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On February 23, 2001 at 17:56:14, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On February 23, 2001 at 16:02:53, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On February 23, 2001 at 15:31:25, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On February 23, 2001 at 14:38:15, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 12:21:28, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:58:46, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:52:12, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:05:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 06:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:54:17, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:49:16, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>With the best settings available for Nimzo 8 (Middlegame Mobility 55 and Style
>>>>>>>>>>>Allaround) instead of the default settings using my Athlon 800 MHz it seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>me that Nimzo 8 strength could be improved by as much as 30 points compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>its default settings.  Dr.Chrilly you should take note of this and if is not too
>>>>>>>>>>>late, please modified Nimzo 8 settings for the remaining of the ICCP match.
>>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that Deep Fritz won the match, but it was not as bad as it
>>>>>>>>>>would have been with its default settings.
>>>>>>>>>I also understand that according to Christophe 50 games is not enough to proof
>>>>>>>>>anything, that I need at least 200 or more games, but I don't need 200 rounds to
>>>>>>>>>be beating by Mike Tyson, 10 rounds is sufficient for two professional boxers
>>>>>>>>>and in my case I might last 10 rounds if I train hard enough to run for 10
>>>>>>>>>rounds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The number of games that you need is not constant and is dependent in the
>>>>>>>>result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I guess that everyone will agree in cases that original nimzo8 is losing 50-0
>>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz when new Nimzo8 is winning 50-0 against Deep Fritz that 50
>>>>>>>>games is more than enough to be convinced that the new setting is better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do not think that you can claim that the new nimzo is  better than the old
>>>>>>>>nimzo based on only one opponent and I think that you need to test both nimzo
>>>>>>>>against many programs because it is possible that one setting is 30 elo better
>>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz but 30 elo worse against another program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>30 elo difference is a small number and 50 games are usually not enough to know
>>>>>>>>which version is 30 elo better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can have a big probability to be wrong if you try to claim things like it
>>>>>>>>based on only 50 games(I guess that if the difference is 30 elo then you have
>>>>>>>>probability of about 30-40% to be wrong in saying which program is better based
>>>>>>>>on 50 games of both programs against Deep Fritz but I did not calculate it)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I also tested the modified Nimzo settings against Fritz6e or english version
>>>>>>>using my second AMD K6-2 500 MHz computer and the score at G\25 after 15 games
>>>>>>>was W6 L5 D4 I will leave it for another day until it reaches 30 games. But I
>>>>>>>can assure you that I'm not the only one testing the modified Nimzo 8 settings,
>>>>>>>there are two other persons at this time that are testing too, once we put
>>>>>>>all of our testing scores together it will end up being at least more than
>>>>>>>100 games total.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS: Sorry for the typographical errors, also Fritz6e is leading the second match
>>>>>>by 1 point so far using the K6-2 500 MHz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I just checked my K6-2 500 MHz and the latest standing is W9 L7 D4 in favor of
>>>>>Fritz6e.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Maybe more test than you realize.
>>>>Also maybe you don't have enough games to ever say these are the ultimate
>>>>Nimzo settings. Especially after one trial at game 25.
>>>>
>>>>This match was run on two seperate computers. TB 900 @ 945 mhz.
>>>>Ponder=off, game 25, hash 32 mb, both using native interface and book.
>>>>Games available.
>>>>
>>>>Nimzo 8 mm55 18
>>>>Deep Fritz   28
>>>>
>>>>From Nimzo's view +8 -18 =20
>>>>
>>>>Sarah.
>>>
>>>You are correct to mention that we have not yet found the best Nimzo 8 settings
>>
>>
>>That isn't what you had said in;
>>http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?155388
>>
>>Sarah.
>>
>
>My original settings was Middlegame Mobility =48 and the rest the same as the
>Default, but I decided to test John Smith settings which works great for Nimzo
>7.32.  Now I'm testing Nimzo 8 with Middlegame Mobility=48 Engame Mobility =25
>and Style Allaround. Like I said we are still in the process of finding the best
>Settings for Nimzo 8.


Like you said NOW.
Originally you said and I quote in the message I quoted above.

"PS: I congratulate you for finding the best Settings for Nimzo 8."

Therefore that was a little in haste huh?.

Sarah.




>
>>
>>>just like with CM6000 it took me over a month to find a decent Personality and
>>>mine was one of the best three ever found.
>>>
>>>Pichard



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