Author: Chessfun
Date: 15:48:02 02/23/01
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On February 23, 2001 at 17:56:14, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On February 23, 2001 at 16:02:53, Chessfun wrote: > >>On February 23, 2001 at 15:31:25, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2001 at 14:38:15, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On February 23, 2001 at 12:21:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:58:46, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:52:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:05:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 06:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:54:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:49:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>With the best settings available for Nimzo 8 (Middlegame Mobility 55 and Style >>>>>>>>>>>Allaround) instead of the default settings using my Athlon 800 MHz it seems to >>>>>>>>>>>me that Nimzo 8 strength could be improved by as much as 30 points compared to >>>>>>>>>>>its default settings. Dr.Chrilly you should take note of this and if is not too >>>>>>>>>>>late, please modified Nimzo 8 settings for the remaining of the ICCP match. >>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that Deep Fritz won the match, but it was not as bad as it >>>>>>>>>>would have been with its default settings. >>>>>>>>>I also understand that according to Christophe 50 games is not enough to proof >>>>>>>>>anything, that I need at least 200 or more games, but I don't need 200 rounds to >>>>>>>>>be beating by Mike Tyson, 10 rounds is sufficient for two professional boxers >>>>>>>>>and in my case I might last 10 rounds if I train hard enough to run for 10 >>>>>>>>>rounds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The number of games that you need is not constant and is dependent in the >>>>>>>>result. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I guess that everyone will agree in cases that original nimzo8 is losing 50-0 >>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz when new Nimzo8 is winning 50-0 against Deep Fritz that 50 >>>>>>>>games is more than enough to be convinced that the new setting is better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I do not think that you can claim that the new nimzo is better than the old >>>>>>>>nimzo based on only one opponent and I think that you need to test both nimzo >>>>>>>>against many programs because it is possible that one setting is 30 elo better >>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz but 30 elo worse against another program. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>30 elo difference is a small number and 50 games are usually not enough to know >>>>>>>>which version is 30 elo better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You can have a big probability to be wrong if you try to claim things like it >>>>>>>>based on only 50 games(I guess that if the difference is 30 elo then you have >>>>>>>>probability of about 30-40% to be wrong in saying which program is better based >>>>>>>>on 50 games of both programs against Deep Fritz but I did not calculate it) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I also tested the modified Nimzo settings against Fritz6e or english version >>>>>>>using my second AMD K6-2 500 MHz computer and the score at G\25 after 15 games >>>>>>>was W6 L5 D4 I will leave it for another day until it reaches 30 games. But I >>>>>>>can assure you that I'm not the only one testing the modified Nimzo 8 settings, >>>>>>>there are two other persons at this time that are testing too, once we put >>>>>>>all of our testing scores together it will end up being at least more than >>>>>>>100 games total. >>>>>>> >>>>>>PS: Sorry for the typographical errors, also Fritz6e is leading the second match >>>>>>by 1 point so far using the K6-2 500 MHz. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I just checked my K6-2 500 MHz and the latest standing is W9 L7 D4 in favor of >>>>>Fritz6e. >>>>> >>>>>>>Pichard. >>>> >>>> >>>>Maybe more test than you realize. >>>>Also maybe you don't have enough games to ever say these are the ultimate >>>>Nimzo settings. Especially after one trial at game 25. >>>> >>>>This match was run on two seperate computers. TB 900 @ 945 mhz. >>>>Ponder=off, game 25, hash 32 mb, both using native interface and book. >>>>Games available. >>>> >>>>Nimzo 8 mm55 18 >>>>Deep Fritz 28 >>>> >>>>From Nimzo's view +8 -18 =20 >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>>You are correct to mention that we have not yet found the best Nimzo 8 settings >> >> >>That isn't what you had said in; >>http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?155388 >> >>Sarah. >> > >My original settings was Middlegame Mobility =48 and the rest the same as the >Default, but I decided to test John Smith settings which works great for Nimzo >7.32. Now I'm testing Nimzo 8 with Middlegame Mobility=48 Engame Mobility =25 >and Style Allaround. Like I said we are still in the process of finding the best >Settings for Nimzo 8. Like you said NOW. Originally you said and I quote in the message I quoted above. "PS: I congratulate you for finding the best Settings for Nimzo 8." Therefore that was a little in haste huh?. Sarah. > >> >>>just like with CM6000 it took me over a month to find a decent Personality and >>>mine was one of the best three ever found. >>> >>>Pichard
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