Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 17:06:19 02/23/01
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On February 23, 2001 at 18:48:02, Chessfun wrote: >On February 23, 2001 at 17:56:14, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On February 23, 2001 at 16:02:53, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 23, 2001 at 15:31:25, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On February 23, 2001 at 14:38:15, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 12:21:28, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:58:46, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:52:12, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 07:05:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 06:02:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:54:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On February 23, 2001 at 05:49:16, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>With the best settings available for Nimzo 8 (Middlegame Mobility 55 and Style >>>>>>>>>>>>Allaround) instead of the default settings using my Athlon 800 MHz it seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>me that Nimzo 8 strength could be improved by as much as 30 points compared to >>>>>>>>>>>>its default settings. Dr.Chrilly you should take note of this and if is not too >>>>>>>>>>>>late, please modified Nimzo 8 settings for the remaining of the ICCP match. >>>>>>>>>>>I forgot to mention that Deep Fritz won the match, but it was not as bad as it >>>>>>>>>>>would have been with its default settings. >>>>>>>>>>I also understand that according to Christophe 50 games is not enough to proof >>>>>>>>>>anything, that I need at least 200 or more games, but I don't need 200 rounds to >>>>>>>>>>be beating by Mike Tyson, 10 rounds is sufficient for two professional boxers >>>>>>>>>>and in my case I might last 10 rounds if I train hard enough to run for 10 >>>>>>>>>>rounds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The number of games that you need is not constant and is dependent in the >>>>>>>>>result. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I guess that everyone will agree in cases that original nimzo8 is losing 50-0 >>>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz when new Nimzo8 is winning 50-0 against Deep Fritz that 50 >>>>>>>>>games is more than enough to be convinced that the new setting is better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I do not think that you can claim that the new nimzo is better than the old >>>>>>>>>nimzo based on only one opponent and I think that you need to test both nimzo >>>>>>>>>against many programs because it is possible that one setting is 30 elo better >>>>>>>>>against Deep Fritz but 30 elo worse against another program. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>30 elo difference is a small number and 50 games are usually not enough to know >>>>>>>>>which version is 30 elo better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You can have a big probability to be wrong if you try to claim things like it >>>>>>>>>based on only 50 games(I guess that if the difference is 30 elo then you have >>>>>>>>>probability of about 30-40% to be wrong in saying which program is better based >>>>>>>>>on 50 games of both programs against Deep Fritz but I did not calculate it) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I also tested the modified Nimzo settings against Fritz6e or english version >>>>>>>>using my second AMD K6-2 500 MHz computer and the score at G\25 after 15 games >>>>>>>>was W6 L5 D4 I will leave it for another day until it reaches 30 games. But I >>>>>>>>can assure you that I'm not the only one testing the modified Nimzo 8 settings, >>>>>>>>there are two other persons at this time that are testing too, once we put >>>>>>>>all of our testing scores together it will end up being at least more than >>>>>>>>100 games total. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>PS: Sorry for the typographical errors, also Fritz6e is leading the second match >>>>>>>by 1 point so far using the K6-2 500 MHz. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I just checked my K6-2 500 MHz and the latest standing is W9 L7 D4 in favor of >>>>>>Fritz6e. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Pichard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Maybe more test than you realize. >>>>>Also maybe you don't have enough games to ever say these are the ultimate >>>>>Nimzo settings. Especially after one trial at game 25. >>>>> >>>>>This match was run on two separate computers. TB 900 @ 945 mhz. >>>>>Ponder=off, game 25, hash 32 mb, both using native interface and book. >>>>>Games available. >>>>> >>>>>Nimzo 8 mm55 18 >>>>>Deep Fritz 28 >>>>> >>>>>From Nimzo's view +8 -18 =20 >>>>> >>>>>Sarah. >>>> >>>>You are correct to mention that we have not yet found the best Nimzo 8 settings >>> >>> >>>That isn't what you had said in; >>>http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?155388 >>> >>>Sarah. >>> >> >>My original settings was Middlegame Mobility =48 and the rest the same as the >>Default, but I decided to test John Smith settings which works great for Nimzo >>7.32. Now I'm testing Nimzo 8 with Middlegame Mobility=48 Engame Mobility =25 >>and Style Allaround. Like I said we are still in the process of finding the best >>Settings for Nimzo 8. > > >Like you said NOW. >Originally you said and I quote in the message I quoted above. > >"PS: I congratulate you for finding the best Settings for Nimzo 8." I should have said I congratulate you for finding the best settings for Nimzo8, so far. Which I believe that it was implied. it is as if I say Deep Fritz is the best program available, but a few week later Christophe's patch can make Gambit 2 or Rebel Tiger 13 the best available program for the time being. If I ever need a lawyer are you available to defend me? Pichard. >Therefore that was a little in haste huh?. > >Sarah. > > > > >> >>> >>>>just like with CM6000 it took me over a month to find a decent Personality and >>>>mine was one of the best three ever found. >>>> >>>>Pichard
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