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Subject: Re: Helpless King Theme

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 02:54:04 02/25/01

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On February 24, 2001 at 12:40:42, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 24, 2001 at 10:18:42, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>On February 24, 2001 at 07:08:47, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>>[D]1q1r3k/3P1pp1/ppBR1n1p/2p1Q2P/P4P2/8/5PK1/8 w
>>>
>>>This is the winning sequence.
>>>1. Rxf6 Qxe5 2. fxe5 gxf6 3. exf6
>>>
>>>Can today's programs on fast hardware find this?
>>
>>On a dual P933 with 512MB hash, Deep Fritz and Deep Shredder beta don't pick
>>Rxf6 in less than 20 minutes. Crafty 18.03 for CB does in 12 minutes. Now I'm
>>trying with Junior 7 beta and if it sees it I will post the analysis. Nice
>>position, Howard.
>>
>>Enrique
>>
>>New position
>>1q1r3k/3P1pp1/ppBR1n1p/2p1Q2P/P4P2/8/5PK1/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 18.03:
>>
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6
>>  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:03
>>1.Kg1
>>  µ  (-0.83)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:03
>>1.Kg1
>>  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:03
>>1.Kg1 Nxh5
>>  -+  (-1.60)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:03
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6
>>  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:03
>>1.Rd3 Qxe5 2.fxe5 Nxh5
>>  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:03
>>1.a5 Ng4
>>  µ  (-0.85)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:03
>>1.a5 Ng4 2.Qe8+ Kh7
>>  µ  (-0.92)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:03
>>1.a5 bxa5 2.Qxc5 Nxh5
>>  -+  (-1.42)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:03
>>1.Kf1 Qc7 2.Rxf6 Qxe5 3.fxe5 gxf6 4.exf6
>>  µ  (-1.34)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:03
>>1.Rd3 Qxe5 2.fxe5 Nxh5
>>  µ  (-1.14)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:03
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.Rxh6+ Kg8 3.fxe5 gxh6
>>  µ  (-0.77)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:03
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.Rxh6+ gxh6 3.fxe5 c4
>>  µ  (-0.99)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:03
>>1.Qe7 c4 2.Rd4 Nxh5 3.Qe8+ Kh7 4.Qxf7
>>  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:03
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7
>>  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:03  71kN
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.Rxh6+ gxh6 3.fxe5 c4 4.Kf3
>>  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 6/14   00:00:03  79kN
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3
>>  µ  (-1.36)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:03  91kN
>>1.Qe7
>>  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:03  107kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.f5
>>  µ  (-0.71)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:03  154kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Bd5 a5
>>  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:03  204kN
>>1.Kg1 Qc7 2.Re6 Qxe5 3.Rxe5 Kh7 4.Re7 c4
>>  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:03  429kN
>>1.Kg1 Qc7 2.Re6 Qxe5 3.Rxe5 Kh7 4.Re7 c4 5.Kg2 Nxh5 6.Rxf7
>>  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:04  576kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Bd5 b5 5.Rxa6 bxa4
>>  µ  (-0.86)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:04  821kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Bd5 b5 5.Rxa6 bxa4
>>  µ  (-0.86)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:05  1915kN
>>1.Rd3 Qa7 2.Rd6 Qc7 3.Re6 Qxe5 4.Rxe5 Kh7 5.Re7 c4
>>  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:06  3097kN
>>1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 c4 3.Qd6 Rxd7 4.Bxd7 Qxd7 5.Qf8+ Kh7 6.Re7
>>  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:07  3941kN
>>1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Nxh5 6.Qb1+ f5 7.Kf3
>>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:09  5853kN
>>1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Nxh5 6.Qxa6 Qg4+ 7.Kf1 Nxf4
>>  µ  (-0.73)   Depth: 12/20   00:00:13  10365kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 a5 3.Rd3 Qa7 4.Re3 Nf6 5.Qe7 Rxd7 6.Bxd7 Qxd7
>>  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 12/20   00:00:20  17432kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 a5 3.Rd3 Qa7 4.Re3 Rxd7 5.Bxd7 Qxd7 6.Qb8 Qg4+ 7.Kf1 c4 8.Qxb6
>>Qxh5
>>  ³  (-0.58)   Depth: 13/20   00:00:23  20655kN
>>1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Qg4+ 6.Kf1 Qh3+ 7.Kg1 Nxh5
>>8.Re7 Qf5 9.Qxa6 Nxf4
>>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 13/20   00:00:30  29016kN
>>1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Qg4+ 6.Kf1 Qh3+ 7.Kg1 Qxh5
>>  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 14/22   00:00:52  52866kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Be4 c4 5.Bf5 b5 6.Rxa6 bxa4 7.Rxa4 c3
>>  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 14/22   00:01:28  91979kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 c4 3.Rd4 c3 4.Rd3 c2 5.Qxb8 Rxb8 6.Rc3 Nf6 7.Rxc2 Rd8 8.a5 bxa5
>>  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 15/24   00:02:05  131403kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 Nf6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/24   00:03:11  203085kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 Nf6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/24   00:04:18  277777kN
>>1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 Nf6
>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18/24   00:08:06  529114kN
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 Kh7 5.Ke4 Kg8 6.Kd4 c3 7.Kxc3 Kh8 8.Kd4
>>Kh7 9.Be4+ Kg8 10.Bf5
>>  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 18/24   00:12:31  827881kN
>>1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 Kh7 5.Ke4 Kg8 6.Kd4 c3 7.Kxc3 Kh8 8.Kd4
>>Kg8 9.Kd5
>>  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 19/24   00:13:20  884211kN
>>
>>(Irazoqui, Cadaqués 24.02.2001)
>
>I see that crafty solved it for positional reasons.
>The main line shows a position when black has material advantage and crafty's
>evaluation is positive for white.
>
>It is also intereting to know if 18.01 is faster because I know that one of the
>changes in crafty that was after 18.01 is to avoid the recapture extensions and
>it means not doing a special extensions for captures at the same square like
>Qxe5 fxe5.
>
>Uri

OK here is 18.01 on a PIII 700MHZ
It do not look like it is going faster on 18.01

Analysis by Crafty 18.01:

1.Kg1 Qc7 2.Re6 Qxe5 3.Rxe5 Kh7 4.Re7 c4 5.Kg2 Nxh5 6.Rxf7
  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:02  610kN
1.Kg1 Qc7 2.Qe7 c4 3.Rxf6 gxf6 4.Qxf6+ Kg8 5.f5 Kh7 6.Qxf7+
  µ  (-1.01)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:03  884kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Rd6 Qc7 3.Re6 Qxe5 4.Rxe5 Kh7 5.Re7 c4
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:03  1118kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 c4 3.Qd6 Rxd7 4.Bxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxd7 Nxd7 6.Re7
  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:05  2039kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Nxh5 6.Qb1+ f5 7.Kf3
  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 11/24   00:00:10  4068kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Rd6 Qc7 3.Re6 Qxe5 4.Rxe5 Kh7 5.Re8 Rxd7 6.Bxd7 Nxd7 7.Re7
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:25  10169kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Qg4+ 6.Kf1 Qh3+ 7.Kg1 Qxh5
8.Re7 Qg4+ 9.Kf1
  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 13/30   00:01:20  32908kN
1.Rd1 Qa7 2.Re1 Rxd7 3.Bxd7 Qxd7 4.Qb8+ Kh7 5.Qxb6 Qg4+ 6.Kf1 Qh3+ 7.Kg1 Qxh5
8.Qxa6 Qg4+ 9.Kh2 Qxf4+ 10.Kg2
  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 14/34   00:02:35  64999kN
1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Be4 a5 5.Bf5 Rb8 6.Rc6 Qxf4 7.Rxb6 Rd8
  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 14/34   00:05:52  143933kN
1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 a5 3.Rd5 Qa7 4.Qd6 Nf6 5.Re5 Kh7 6.Re7 c4 7.Rxf7 Nxh5
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 15/37   00:07:32  181697kN
1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Qd5 Ne7 5.Qe6 Nxc6 6.Qe8+ Kh7 7.Qg6+ Kg8 8.Qe8+
Kh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/40   00:12:20  282795kN
1.Qe7 Ng8 2.Qe5 f6 3.Qe6 Qc7 4.Qd5 Ne7 5.Qe6 Nxc6 6.Qe8+ Kh7 7.Qg6+ Kg8 8.Qe8+
Kh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/41   00:21:00  465409kN
1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 c3 5.Ke3 Kg8 6.Kd3 c2 7.Kxc2 Kf8 8.Kd3
Kg8 9.Ke4 Kh7 10.Ke5
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 17/41   00:28:47  596793kN
1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 c3 5.Ke3 Kg8 6.Kd3 c2 7.Kxc2 Kf8 8.Kd3
Kg8 9.Ke4 Kh8 10.Ke5 Kh7
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 18/44   00:30:20  640941kN
1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 c3 5.Ke3 Kg8 6.Kd3 c2 7.Kxc2 Kh8 8.Kd3
Kh7 9.Ke4 Kg8 10.Ke5 Kf8 11.f4
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 19/44   00:40:42  931867kN
1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 c3 5.Ke2 Kg8 6.Kd1 Kf8 7.Kc2 Kg8 8.Kxc3
Kh8 9.Kd4 Kh7 10.Kc4 Kg8 11.Kd5
  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 20/46   01:15:34  1867805kN
1.Rxf6 Qxe5 2.fxe5 gxf6 3.exf6 c4 4.Kf3 c3 5.Ke2 Kg8 6.Kd3 Kf8 7.Kxc3 Kg8 8.f4
Kh7 9.Kd4 Kg8 10.Ke5 Kf8 11.Kd6 Kg8
  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 21/52   03:51:51  1649156kN, tb=4

Torstein

New position
1q1r3k/3P1pp1/ppBR1n1p/2p1Q2P/P4P2/8/5PK1/8 w - - 0 1





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