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Subject: Re: Testposition - Eval Results

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:41:33 02/25/01

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On February 25, 2001 at 10:34:15, Sune Larsson wrote:

>On February 25, 2001 at 09:45:48, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 25, 2001 at 08:55:47, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>
>>>On February 25, 2001 at 07:55:31, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 25, 2001 at 07:10:13, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  [D]7k/7P/P5K1/8/4B3/8/8/6b1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  This is a dead draw. Black just moves his bishop on the a7-g1 diagonal.
>>>>>  Correct evaluation of this position is 0.00. Here are the results of
>>>>>  some programs, after a few minutes of thinking on a PIII 800.
>>>>>  It's a falling scale from "best" to "worse".
>>>>>
>>>>>  1) Nimzo 7.32       + 1.83
>>>>>  2) Nimzo 8          + 1.96
>>>>>  3) Hiarcs 7.32      + 2.20
>>>>>  4) Chess Tiger      + 2.40
>>>>>  5) Junior 6         + 2.44
>>>>>  6) Fritz 5.32       + 2.75
>>>>>  7) Crafty 18.01     + 2.80
>>>>>  8) Century 3.0      + 3.23
>>>>>  9) Gandalf 4.32g    + 3.24
>>>>> 10) Phalanx 22       + 3.28
>>>>> 11) Fritz 6          + 3.84
>>>>> 12) Junior 5         + 3.85
>>>>> 13) Deep Fritz       + 4.03
>>>>> 14) SOS              + 4.78
>>>>> 15) Gromit 3.1       + 5.40
>>>>>
>>>>> Sune
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Very impressive comparison, I thought now of doing the same but for a
>>>>different position, maybe to give a hint of which program packs
>>>>a particular knowledge. What will be your suggestion on the time to be used?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dinan
>>>
>>> For practical reasons and since this is about knowledge, I used 3 min
>>> of thinking time per program (PIII 800). I also gave a couple of them much
>>> more time, just to check, but the evals wouldn't change. If you know you know
>>> and if you don't you don't...;)
>>
>>I disagree.
>>It is possible to learn to change your evaluation function.
>
> Sorry Uri but I think you missed my point. I meant that it doesn't matter if
> a program thinks 3 or 20 minutes in the above position. Either it has knowledge
> about it or not. But of course the programmers can change the eval function.
> In fact, that is one of the points by posting this.
>
> Sune

I thought about learning from search and not using previous knowledge about this
kind of position.
I know no top program that knows it when humans know to learn from searh to
change their evalution function.

Uri




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