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Subject: Re: Junior 6 vs modified settingsNimzo 8 score W26 L18

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 20:18:09 02/27/01

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On February 27, 2001 at 21:13:47, eric guttenberg wrote:

>The games can be found and downloaded by going to the SSDF site, clicking on
>"games" and then clicking on Tony Hedlund's database of test games which
>gets you to Tony's chess site where you download NEWPGN.  That will get
>you some 600 new test games played by SSDF, including the 42 between Deep Fritz
>and Junior 6.
>
>I am not suggesting that Junior 6 is stronger than Deep Fritz but the final
>score of that "match" is what it is. Maybe Deep Fritz was just unlucky or
>maybe Junior 6 just happens to be a program that gives Deep
>Fritz trouble. I agree Deep Fritz outperforms Junior 6 in their games
>against other common opponents.
>
>eric

I will check on these games later, I did suspect they would be under NEWPGN.
My experience though has been contrary to this match between DF and Junior 6.
I'm glad you're not suggesting Junior 6 is stronger than DF, but in my engine
match games, DF won by a fairly large margin, but chance could have played a
role.
One thing appears clear from my own tests, that Junior 6 does'nt give DF any
real difficulty. Maybe DF was lucky? Although, I doubt it could be that lucky,
most of the time. I think the SSDF testing of DF vs Junior 6 was probably a bit
lucky for Junior 6.
You said DF was closing the gap as time progressed. I believe
DF would have caught up and surpassed Junior 6.

Regardless, they are both strong prgramms.

Shredder 5 appears to be better than them all from recent tounaments, but still
a bit of luck may exist there, as the tournaments test many programms at once.
There's not enough games to make a final case for Shredder or Deep Fritz, Fritz
6 etc. DF only lost by half a point, that is really meaningless.
Shredder would have to go one on one with Fritz for at least 200 games at
40/2hrs., before a final judgement on their repective strengths could be passed.
I also think it would be interesting to have the top 5 programms in a
tournament, go head to head then I think we might get a better picture, which
programm would probably be best.

Terry McCracken



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