Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 20:34:46 02/27/01
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On February 27, 2001 at 23:18:09, Terry McCracken wrote: >On February 27, 2001 at 21:13:47, eric guttenberg wrote: > >>The games can be found and downloaded by going to the SSDF site, clicking on >>"games" and then clicking on Tony Hedlund's database of test games which >>gets you to Tony's chess site where you download NEWPGN. That will get >>you some 600 new test games played by SSDF, including the 42 between Deep Fritz >>and Junior 6. >> >>I am not suggesting that Junior 6 is stronger than Deep Fritz but the final >>score of that "match" is what it is. Maybe Deep Fritz was just unlucky or >>maybe Junior 6 just happens to be a program that gives Deep >>Fritz trouble. I agree Deep Fritz outperforms Junior 6 in their games >>against other common opponents. >> >>eric > >I will check on these games later, I did suspect they would be under NEWPGN. >My experience though has been contrary to this match between DF and Junior 6. >I'm glad you're not suggesting Junior 6 is stronger than DF, but in my engine >match games, DF won by a fairly large margin, but chance could have played a >role. >One thing appears clear from my own tests, that Junior 6 does'nt give DF any >real difficulty. Maybe DF was lucky? Although, I doubt it could be that lucky, >most of the time. I think the SSDF testing of DF vs Junior 6 was probably a bit >lucky for Junior 6. >You said DF was closing the gap as time progressed. I believe >DF would have caught up and surpassed Junior 6. > >Regardless, they are both strong prgramms. > >Shredder 5 appears to be better than them all from recent tounaments, but still >a bit of luck may exist there, as the tournaments test many programms at once. >There's not enough games to make a final case for Shredder or Deep Fritz, Fritz >6 etc. DF only lost by half a point, that is really meaningless. >Shredder would have to go one on one with Fritz for at least 200 games at >40/2hrs., before a final judgement on their repective strengths could be passed. >I also think it would be interesting to have the top 5 programms in a >tournament, go head to head then I think we might get a better picture, which >programm would probably be best. > >Terry McCracken Also, these 5 top programms would need to take on the top 5 humans in the world, not only to find out which is best, but best overall! I'd love to see something like this, but I won't hold breath!;) Terry
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