Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:32:45 03/13/98
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On March 13, 1998 at 13:52:45, Thorsten Czub wrote: >> Others aren't happy with no public autoplayer >>from Fritz although no one said a thing about genius 4 which also had no >>public autoplayer + a different version for SSDF testing. > >Please Bob, take notice: > >IF >Genius 4 would have made an elo jump of 150 Elo points >and IF > I would have had it for a couple of months without recognizing >this mega jump >and IF it would have a non-public-autoplayer > >THAN i would have doubts of the same SIZE and loudness ! > >Please take car that it is NOT the fact that Fritz is suddenly no.1. >By repeating this you simplify a much more complex problem. > >I have had fritz before Paris97. >I had played games with it. >I have now 64 MB hash and the junior-upgrade. >And I don't get Enrique's results. >I guess the reason is clear: he uses the "autoplayer" and I do play with >my own hands. This seems to change the elo ! :-) > > > note that just because Genius didn't jump to #1 doesn't mean that it should have been ignored. IE bad science is bad science. Either (a) there should have been a hue and cry when the genius4/dos version was tested to match the hue and cry now, or (b) this is a moot point. But it makes no sense (at least to me) to only raise a ruckus when a program that is "different" does well, when the last program that was "different" didn't do so well... I go for consistency... nothing more... You are free to like what program you like, and to dislike what ever programs you dislike... But I think it goes too far to accuse them of wrongdoing with zero evidence. IE it would be nice for someone to take one of the games Tony has published, and to go over it with the commercial fritz upgrade and prove that it would not play one or more of those moves, or that the timing or something would be greatly different, or that the scores are different.. ie *something* to support the claims that have been bouncing around... >>I think it is simply too emotional an issue. I've been on top of the >>computer chess heap. I've been near the bottom. I've been everywhere >>in between. The sun still rises tomorrow, and I still have just as much >>fun today as I did when my program played it's very first move in >>1968... > >All ok, but - as I said - you underestimate the problem. >Fritz plays at my home like a slightly better Fritz4. >Not more. No first rank, maybe 40 ElO's above Fritz4. >But NO mega jump. I haven't seen a "mega-jump" by *anyone*, to be honest. But I have seen some new "speculation" in newer programs that just might not be the way to play against a deeper/faster searcher like Fritz...
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