Author: Ed Panek
Date: 08:20:48 02/28/01
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On February 27, 2001 at 17:12:04, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 27, 2001 at 16:55:39, Ed Panek wrote: > >>On February 27, 2001 at 13:35:33, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On February 27, 2001 at 10:49:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On February 27, 2001 at 10:07:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 27, 2001 at 08:24:14, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I believe that the drawish move was Qe3! instead of the Qxc6? Can somebody >>>>>>post the FEN string that produce the graphical position for me. Plus I wonder >>>>>>what program save the draw in the shortest time possible? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>None can see this. It is a 60+ ply repetition. Way beyond anything we can >>>>>see today. >>>> >>>>We need to test all the programs in order to say that none can see it. >>>> >>>>Some programs like dark thought are not available so we cannot know that none >>>>can see it. >>>> >>>>The fact that it is 60 ply repetition is not a proof that none can see it >>>>because programs only to need the right extensions to see the relevant 60 plies >>>>forward. >>>> >>>>If you are wrong then testing only one program is enough to prove it. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Deep Fritz doesn't see the draw yet after one hour, but it's getting there. Now >>>I am trying with Deep Shredder and I might leave one of them computing the >>>position overnight. >>> >>>What has been the evaluation that came closest to 0.00? >>> >>>Enrique >>> >>>Comp Deep Blue - Kasparov,G >>>1r6/5kp1/RqQb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P4P/6P1/5K2 b - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by DEEP FRITZ : >>> >>>45...Qxc6-- >>> ± (0.91) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00 >>>45...Qxc6-- >>> ± (0.91) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Re8 47.Ra7+ Re7 >>> ± (0.78) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00 >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Re8 47.g3 >>> ± (0.84) Depth: 3/10 00:00:00 >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Bc7 47.Ra7 Rc8 >>> ± (0.94) Depth: 4/10 00:00:00 2kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Bc7 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Ke2 >>> ± (1.03) Depth: 5/9 00:00:00 4kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Be7 47.Bd5+ Ke8 48.c7 Rc8 49.Ra7 >>> ± (1.16) Depth: 6/13 00:00:00 10kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Rd8 47.Ra5 Ke7 48.Rxb5 Bc7 49.Rb7 >>> ± (1.37) Depth: 7/17 00:00:00 34kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Bc7 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Ke7 49.Ke2 Kd6 50.Rxb5 >>> +- (1.44) Depth: 8/17 00:00:00 76kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Bc7 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Ke7 49.Ke2 Kd6 50.Rxb5 >>> +- (1.44) Depth: 9/19 00:00:00 132kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Rc8 47.Ra5 Ke7 48.Rxb5 Rc7 49.g3 Ra7 50.Ke2 Bc7 >>> +- (1.56) Depth: 10/19 00:00:00 307kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Kf8 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Ra8 >>> +- (1.59) Depth: 11/24 00:00:01 1156kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Kf8 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Rc7 49.Rxb5 Ra7 50.Bd5 Ra1+ >>> +- (1.75) Depth: 12/23 00:00:01 1833kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Kf8 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Rc7 49.Rxb5 Ke7 >>> +- (1.66) Depth: 13/24 00:00:02 3093kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Kf8 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Rb7 Rc7 49.Rxb5 Ke7 >>> +- (1.87) Depth: 14/27 00:00:05 6179kN >>>45...Qxc6 46.dxc6 Kf8 47.Ra7 Rc8 48.Bd5 Rc7 49.Ra8+ Ke7 50.Rg8 h5 51.Rxg7+ >>> +- (1.94) Depth: 15/29 00:00:11 13091kN >>>45...Qe3! >>> +- (1.91) Depth: 15/40 00:00:43 51310kN >>>45...Qe3 46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Bf3 Qxc3 49.Qc5 Qc1+ 50.Kf2 Qc2+ 51.Kg1 >>> +- (1.69) Depth: 16/42 00:01:51 135971kN >>>45...Qe3! >>> ± (1.37) Depth: 17/46 00:05:09 378813kN >>>45...Qe3! 46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Kg1 >>> ± (1.16) Depth: 17/46 00:07:23 543340kN >>>45...Qe3 46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Kg1 >>> ± (1.12) Depth: 18/46 00:12:07 896606kN >>>45...Qe3 46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Kg1 >>> ± (1.00) Depth: 19/50 00:25:38 1907813kN >>>45...Qe3! >>> ² (0.69) Depth: 20/52 00:56:36 4195172kN >>> >>>(Irazoqui, Cadaqués 27.02.2001) >>I will leave Hiarcs 732 and also Tiger 13 overnite on a PIII 800 and an Athlon >>1248Mhz and see what they come up with. >> >> >>Ed > >I guess that they will not find the draw. > >I give yace bigger chances to find the draw. > >All the program that I know except yace are stupid when they need to see >repetition based on ideas of perpetual check. > >Uri Well, After 10 hours on an athlon 1250 Mhz tiger 13 could not find the Qe3 move...it preferred QxQ. On the other hand Hiarcs 732 switched to Qe3 after about an hour, I will try to paste the line sonn as I wasnt able to this morning.Ed
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