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Subject: Re: This is why some P.C programs are better than most humans < 2550 !

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 14:35:22 02/28/01

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On February 28, 2001 at 16:46:06, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On February 28, 2001 at 16:42:20, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On February 28, 2001 at 11:37:54, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On February 28, 2001 at 11:34:45, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>This position could happen in deeper blue kasparov after 45...Qe3 46.Qxd6 Re8
>>>>47.Qd7+ Re7 48.Qc6
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/4rkp1/R1Q2p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P1q2P/6P1/5K2 b - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Is it a draw?
>>>>What is your opinion?(I did not analyze it enough to know).
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>Check out: http://www.rebel.nl/db2.htm
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>According to Rebel this could be the possible continuation :
>>
>>The line goes like this: 45.Ra6? Qe3! 46.Qxd6 Re8! 47.h4! h5! 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2
>>Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Kg1 Qe3+ 52.Kh2 Qf4+ 53.Kh3 Qxf5+ 54.Kh2 Qf4+ 55.Kg1 Qe3+
>>56.Kf1 Qc1+ 57.Kf2 Qf4+ 58.Ke1 Qc1+ 59.Bd1 Qxc3+ 60.Kf1 Qc1! 61.Ke2 Qb2+ 62.Kf1
>>Qc1
>>
>>Note 60..Qc1!
>>
>>According to Nimzo 8 this could be the possible continuation:
>>
>>The line goes like this: 45.Ra6? Qe3! 46.Qxd6 Re8! 47.Bf3 (if 47.h4! h5! changes
>>nothing) 47..Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qd2+ 49.Be2 Qf4+ 50.Ke1 Qc1+ 51. Bd1 Qxc3+ 52.Kf1 Qc1!
>>and White's king can't wriggle out of perpetual check.
>>
>>Clearly there was no hope in 45.Ra6? Qxc6 (or 45..Qxd8 46.Ra7+ Kg8
>>47.Rd7)46.dxc6 Rc8 47.Ra7+ Rc7 48.Ra8 and Black is hogtied.
>>
>>A human being after either being tired or faltered, even in the category of Ex
>>World Champion Kasparov can't always see far enough. Most of the time machines
>>take advantages of human fatigue especially in game matches where the time
>>control is greater than 40\120.
>>

Please don't misunderstand me when I refered to P.C. being better than Humans in
time control longer than 40-120, I was not comparing Kasparov, Kramnik or Anand
against current P.C. using the best program available, I was generalizing
against most humans rated below 2550.

>>According to Kasparov he rejected 45.Ra6? Qe3! because, in his mind's eye, he
>>saw 46.Qxd6 Qxe4 47.Ra7+ Kg8 48.Qxb8+ Kh7 49.Ra1 Qf4+ 50.Kg1 Qe3+ 51.Kh1 and the
>>king escapes by ducking into the corner.
>>
>>Pichard



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