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Subject: Re: Dissapointed IN CM8000

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 07:59:35 03/01/01

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On March 01, 2001 at 01:03:33, Garry Evans wrote:

>
>I am no longer a fan of Chessmaster, my testing say's that the new engine is
>much weaker than the previous version. I no longer see Brilliant Tal like
>attacks, or the ability to maintain the initiative which is a hallmark of
>Chessmaster's play, all that I see now is chessmaster losing, especially when
>playing against the tigers. I doubt if Chessmaster's Programmer even put any
>serious work into improving the engine. I believe they knew that just the
>mention of a new engine would bring more sales. I feel like a goffer and a Mark,
>they got me good with this one!! Well I guess from now on my chessmaster8000
>will collect dust on my hardrive along with Mchess 8, Genius6, and Zarkov.

Hello Gary,
How are you testing CM8K ?  I'm using 2 Athlon 900 Thunderbirds with 256 M ram.
Here is my database/elo scores since December for Game/1 hour time controls:


  Program            Rating     Games
1. Fritz 6B           2434       35
2. CM8K(32M)          2421       25
3. Chess Tiger 13.0   2404       56
4. Fritz 6e           2393       120
5. Junior 6.0         2373       81
6. Shredder 5         2368       177
7. Gambit Tiger 1.0   2366       56
8. Hiarcs 7.32        2350       44
9.  *
10. *

* (Purposely left off list)

It's still a small database and must be taken with a grain of salt but there is
no indication that CM8K is "weak" compared to other programs.  By the way in my
"Blitz" database with many more games CM8K is near the bottom but I believe that
CM8K is not a good blitz player.  I will need many more games before I will know
much about the above programs/ratings but at the longer time controls it takes a
long time and of course I'm not the SSDF, I'm just one person.  By the way
"Fritz 6B" was replaced by the latest Fritz 6e program and it's score is based
entirely on 35 games vs Shredder 5 which it won by 20.5-14.5.  So it's not a
good indicator since it was against only one program.  It also shows what you
can do to manipulate elo ratings if you want by playing many games against one
opponent which you do very good against.

Jim



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