Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:21:31 03/01/01
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On March 01, 2001 at 11:46:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On February 28, 2001 at 11:43:26, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On February 28, 2001 at 11:12:09, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [D]4n3/1b3k1p/p2p2p1/3Pp3/2P3P1/6PP/2BB4/6K1 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>> This is Hort-Ciocaltea, Budapest 1973. Only two moves are required
>>> to immobilize the black knight and pave the way for the victorious
>>> march of the white king to the deserted queenside:
>>>
>>> 1.g5! Bc8 2.g4! and black's position is ripe for resignation.
>>>
>>> Test: The above move order should be rewarded with big +scores for white.
>>>
>>> Sune
>>
>>
>>Maybe Rebel's way is as good as.... 1.Bd4 Ke7 and then 2.g5 Bc8 3.g5
>>
>>Ed
>
>I get the same here Ed,
>but a small question on eval.
>
>I thought diep was pretty optimistic in endgame,
>but i don't get near your white score. What causes in
>this position rebel to score so optimistic for white.
>
>I mean: 2 passers for black. 1 worthless white pawn.
>White only has a cool bishop versus sucking knight and real
>soon a bit better king. How do you get to 0.7 here so quick?
>
>
>Here output of diep:
>
>
>Analysis mode is on
>Process 1: engineflags=0 msk=1
>process 0: engineflags = 0 denktime=10000000 maxtime=10000000
>00:00 9 (0) 1 -4.88 Bc2xg6 h7xg6
>00:00 11 (0) 1 -0.65 Bd2-c3
>00:00 12 (0) 1 -0.35 Kg1-f2
>00:00 23 (0) 1 -0.31 Bd2-b4
>00:00 56 (0) 2 -0.55 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7
>++ g1-f2
>00:00 97 (0) 2 -0.54 Kg1-f2 Ne8-f6
>00:00 300 (0) 3 -0.16 Kg1-f2 Kf7-f6 Bd2-b4
>00:00 1056 (315) 4 -0.33 Kg1-f2 Kf7-e7 Bd2-g5 Ne8-f6
>00:00 2183 (529) 5 -0.11 Kg1-f2 Kf7-e7 Bd2-g5 Ne8-f6 Kf2-f3
>00:00 5574 (1574) 6 -0.20 Kg1-f2 Bb7-c8 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 Kf2-e3 Ne8-f6
>00:00 14593 (2816) 7 -0.05 Kg1-f2 Kf7-e7 Bd2-e3 Ke7-f6 g4-g5 Kf6-e7 h3-h4 a6-a5
>
>00:00 34441 (7681) 8 -0.20 Kg1-f2 Kf7-e7 Kf2-f3 Ne8-f6 Bd2-e3 Bb7-c8 g4-g5 Nf6-h
>5
>++ d2-b4
>00:00 57331 (9421) 8 -0.02 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 Kg1-f2 Ne8-f6 g4-g5 Nf6-d7 Kf2-e3 Nd7-b
>6 Bc2-d3
>00:02 141605 (15727) 9 -0.05 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 Bc2-a4 Ne8-f6 c4-c5 Bb7xd5 c5xd6 Ke7-
>e6 g4-g5 Nf6-d7 Ba4xd7 Ke6xd7 Kg1-f2
>00:02 184532 (18621) 10 -0.05 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 Bc2-a4 Ne8-f6 c4-c5 Bb7xd5 c5xd6 Ke7
>-e6 g4-g5 Nf6-d7 Ba4xd7 Ke6xd7 Kg1-f2
>00:03 334043 (22988) 11 -0.11 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 Bc2-a4 Ne8-f6 c4-c5 Bb7xd5 c5xd6 Ke7
>-e6 g4-g5 Nf6-d7 Ba4xd7 Ke6xd7 Bb4-c5 Kd7-c6
>00:08 874538 (82349) 12 0.09 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Ne8-g7 g3-g4 Ng7-e8 Kg1-f2 Ne8-
>c7 Kf2-e3 Bb7-c8 Bc2-e4 Bc8-d7
>00:17 1981392 (197048) 13 0.13 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-a8 Bc2-a4 Ne8-c7 c4-c5 d6
>xc5 Bb4xc5 Ke7-d8 d5-d6 Nc7-b5 Kg1-f2 Ba8-c6
>00:35 4136278 (361066) 14 0.21 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Ne8-c7 Kg1-f2 Bc
>8-b7 Kf2-e3 Bb7-c8 Bb4-a5 Nc7-e8 Bc2-a4
>01:10 8387807 (509633) 15 0.23 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Ne8-c7 Kg1-f2 Bc
>8-b7 Kf2-e3 Nc7-e8 Bc2-e4 Ne8-g7 h3-h4 Bb7-c8 Ke3-f3
>02:32 18542931 (952921) 16 0.24 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Bc8-b7 Bc2-a4 N
>e8-c7 Bb4-a5 Nc7-e8 Kg1-f2 Ne8-g7 Kf2-e3
>06:16 45268913 (2711187) 17 0.28 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Bc8-d7 Kg1-f2
>Bd7-c8 Kf2-e3 Bc8-b7 h3-h4 Bb7-c8 h4-h5 Ke7-f7 Bc2-a4 Bc8xg4 h5xg6 h7xg6 Ba4xe8
>Kf7xe8
>22:02 155326748 (15794155) 18 0.39 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Bc8-d7 Kg1-f
>2 Bd7-c8 Kf2-e3 Bc8-d7 Ke3-f3 Ne8-c7 c4-c5 Nc7xd5 c5xd6 Ke7-e6 Bb4-c5 Bd7-c6 Bc2
>-b3 a6-a5
>43:32 305604615 (19187839) 19 0.39 Bd2-b4 Kf7-e7 g4-g5 Bb7-c8 g3-g4 Bc8-d7 Kg1-f
>2 Bd7-c8 Kf2-e3 Bc8-d7 Bb4-a5 Ke7-f8 Ke3-f3 Kf8-e7 Ba5-b4 Ne8-c7 c4-c5 Nc7xd5 c5
>xd6 Ke7-e6 Bb4-c5
>
>
>
>
>>---------------
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>>Loading...
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>>Engine version : Rebel Century 3.1
>>Hash table size : 60 Mb
>>
>>4n3/1b3k1p/p2p2p1/3Pp3/2P3P1/6PP/2BB4/6K1 w - -
>>
>>00:00:00 04.00 0.41 1.g5 Bc8 2.g4 Bd7 [1350]
>>00:00:01 06.00 0.52 1.Kf2 Ke7 2.g5 Bc8 3.g4 Bd7 [21003]
>>00:00:01 07.00 0.48 1.Kf2 Bc8 2.Bb4 h5 3.gxh5 gxh5 4.h4 Kf6 [52075]
>>00:00:03 09.00 0.61 1.g5 Bc8 2.g4 Ke7 3.Kf2 Bd7 4.Ke3 Nc7 5.Bb4 [107868]
>>00:00:04 10.00 0.65 1.g5 Bc8 2.g4 Ke7 3.Kf2 Bd7 4.Bb4 Nc7 5.c5 Nxd5 6.cxd6
>>[165688]
>>00:00:07 11.00 0.65 1.g5 Bc8 2.g4 Ke7 3.Kf2 Bd7 4.Bb4 Nc7 5.c5 Nxd5 6.cxd6
>>Ke6 [265123]
>>00:00:17 12.00 0.67 1.g5 Ke7 2.Kf2 Nc7 3.Bb4 Bc8 4.g4 Bb7 5.h4 Kd7 6.h5 Ke7
>>7.hxg6 [312378]
>>00:00:27 12.05 0.78 1.Bb4 Ke7 2.Ba4 Nf6 3.c5 dxc5 4.Bxc5 Kd8 5.d6 Nd5 6.Kf2
>>e4 [327503]
>>00:00:42 13.00 0.74 1.Bb4 Ke7 2.g5 Bc8 3.g4 Bb7 4.Kf2 Nc7 5.c5 Nxd5 6.cxd6
>>Kd7 [337210]
>>00:01:38 14.00 0.77 1.Bb4 Ke7 2.g5 Bc8 3.g4 Bd7 4.Kf2 Nc7 5.Kf3 [346005]
My static analysis for the position is -.65 (favors black). However after a 7
ply search in 0 seconds, the eval is + (favors white).:
total evaluation.................... -0.65
White(1): noise 0
noise level set to 0.
White(1): move
time surplus 0.00 time limit 30.00 (3:30)
nss depth time score variation (1)
1 0.00 -0.35 1. Kf2
1-> 0.00 -0.35 1. Kf2
2 0.00 -0.47 1. Kf2 Nf6
2-> 0.00 -0.47 1. Kf2 Nf6
3 0.00 -0.37 1. Kf2 Nf6 2. Bg5
3-> 0.00 -0.37 1. Kf2 Nf6 2. Bg5
4 0.00 -0.41 1. Kf2 Nf6 2. g5 Nd7
4-> 0.01 -0.41 1. Kf2 Nf6 2. g5 Nd7
5 0.02 -0.20 1. Kf2 Ke7 2. Be4 Nf6 3. Bg5
5-> 0.03 -0.20 1. Kf2 Ke7 2. Be4 Nf6 3. Bg5
6 0.05 -0.23 1. Kf2 Ke7 2. Bg5+ Nf6 3. c5 dxc5 4.
d6+ Ke6
6-> 0.06 -0.23 1. Kf2 Ke7 2. Bg5+ Nf6 3. c5 dxc5 4.
d6+ Ke6
7 0.17 -0.08 1. Kf2 Bc8 2. Bb4 h5 3. Ba4 hxg4 4.
Bxe8+ Kxe8 5. Bxd6 gxh3 6. Bxe5
7 0.23 0.07 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nc7 3. c5 dxc5 4.
Bxc5+ Kf6
(2) 7-> 0.23 0.07 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nc7 3. c5 dxc5 4.
Bxc5+ Kf6
8 0.28 0.06 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Bxd6 e3
8-> 0.30 0.06 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Bxd6 e3
9 0.38 0.13 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Bxd6 e3 5. Be5
9-> 0.45 0.13 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Bxd6 e3 5. Be5
10 0.63 0.19 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Kf2 Kd7 5. Ke3 a5 6. Bxa5
10-> 0.76 0.19 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 e4 3. Bxe8 Kxe8 4.
Kf2 Kd7 5. Ke3 a5 6. Bxa5
11 1.30 0.22 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. Kf1 Nd7 6. Ke2 e4
11-> 1.55 0.22 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. Kf1 Nd7 6. Ke2 e4
12 2.71 0.29 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. Ba3 Nd7 6. Kf2 h6 7. Ke3
12-> 3.00 0.29 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. Ba3 Nd7 6. Kf2 h6 7. Ke3
13 4.60 0.24 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. g5 Nd7 6. Bd1 Be4 7. Bg4+
Bf5 8. Be2
13-> 6.19 0.24 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 Nf6 3. c5 Bxd5 4.
cxd6+ Ke6 5. g5 Nd7 6. Bd1 Be4 7. Bg4+
Bf5 8. Be2
14 10.81 0.22 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 g5 3. Bxe8 a5 4.
Ba3 Kxe8 5. Bxd6 e4 6. Kf2 Kd7 7. Ba3
h6
(2) 14-> 17.32 0.22 1. Bb4 Ke7 2. Ba4 g5 3. Bxe8 a5 4.
Ba3 Kxe8 5. Bxd6 e4 6. Kf2 Kd7 7. Ba3
h6
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