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Subject: Re: Testposition - Totally Paralysed

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:36:43 03/02/01

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On March 02, 2001 at 15:24:07, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 02, 2001 at 14:46:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On March 02, 2001 at 14:39:10, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  [D]1k3b1q/pP2p1p1/P1K1P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>  Horwitz,B 1885
>>>
>>>  This one might prove as mission impossible. Black is totally paralysed
>>>  from start and white is winning - but how?? Maybe more amusing for
>>>  humans than for silicons. One could characterize black's position
>>>  as slightly passive ;) but how could white make progress. Looks hard...
>>>
>>>  Test: Win it! Draw scores like 0.00 are not trusted...
>>>
>>>  Sune
>>
>>I believe that for humans it is easy.
>>
>>The idea is simply zunzwang because it is clear that other things do not work.
>>
>>1.Kd7 Qg8 2.Bb5 Qh8 3.Kd8 Qg8 4.Bd7 Qh8 5.Be8 Qg8 6.Kd7 Qh8 7.Bf7
>>
>>I did not use a computer to find this line.
>
>I think I came up with the same trajectory as you did.  Unfortunately, the
>computer tells me that the final position is a draw!
>
>1k3b1q/pP2p1p1/P1K1P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 w - -
>1k3b1q/pP1Kp1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 b - -
>1k3bq1/pP1Kp1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 w - -
>1k1K1bq1/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 b - -
>1k1K1b1q/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/2B5/8/8/8 w - -
>1k1K1b1q/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/1B5P/8/8/8/8 b - -
>1k1K1bq1/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/1B5P/8/8/8/8 w - -
>1k1K1bq1/pP1Bp1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 b - -
>1k1K1b1q/pP1Bp1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 w - -
>1k1KBb1q/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 b - -
>1k1KBbq1/pP2p1p1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 w - -
>1k1K1bq1/pP2pBp1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 b - -
>1k1K1b1q/pP2pBp1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 w - -
>[D]1k3b1q/pP1KpBp1/P3P1Pp/7P/8/8/8/8 b - -

The computer is not telling you the truth.
White is winning in the final position after

7...Qg8 8.Kd8 Qh8  9.Ke8 Kc7 10.b8Q+ Kxb8 11.Kd8 Ka8 12.Kc8 Qg8 13.Kc7

My line was wrong because black could draw by 4...Qxe6

Uri



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