Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:52:02 03/02/01
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On March 02, 2001 at 09:55:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On March 02, 2001 at 09:24:11, José Carlos wrote:
>
>> Would DIEP have played the rest of the moves of the whole game exactly as Deep
>>Blue did? If not, you cannot say DIEP would have won that game.
>>
>> José C.
>
>I would at least tactical destroy Deep Blue easily.
Please.......
>
>Of course diep would have played better moves as Deep Blue.
>
>Let's start with game 1, the many bad moves made by Deep Blue:
>
>[Event "ICC u 120 0 05/03/97"]
>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>[Date "1997.05.03"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Kasparov"]
>[Black "Deep-Blue"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[WhiteElo "2795"]
>[BlackElo "0"]
>[GameID "862683128"]
>[ECO "A07"]
>[NIC "QP.09"]
>[LongECO "Reti: King's Indian attack (Barcza system)"]
>
> 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Bg4 3. b3 Nd7 4. Bb2 e6
> 5. Bg2 Ngf6 6. O-O c6 7. d3 Bd6 8. Nbd2 O-O
> 9. h3 Bh5 10. e3 h6 11. Qe1 Qa5 12. a3 Bc7
>13. Nh4 g5 14. Nhf3 e5 15. e4 Rfe8 16. Nh2 Qb6
>17. Qc1 a5 18. Re1 Bd6 19. Ndf1 dxe4 20. dxe4 Bc5
>21. Ne3 Rad8 22. Nhf1 g4 23. hxg4 Nxg4 24. f3 Nxe3
>25. Nxe3 Be7 26. Kh1 Bg5 27. Re2 a4 28. b4 f5
>29. exf5 e4 30. f4 Bxe2 31. fxg5 Ne5 32. g6 Bf3
>33. Bc3 Qb5 34. Qf1 Qxf1+ 35. Rxf1 h5 36. Kg1 Kf8
>37. Bh3 b5 38. Kf2 Kg7 39. g4 Kh6 40. Rg1 hxg4
>41. Bxg4 Bxg4 42. Nxg4+ Nxg4+ 43. Rxg4 Rd5 44. f6 Rd1
>45. g7
>{Black resigns} 1-0
>
>After seeing this game all members of my chessclub that are playing
>national league (about 1900 national and up, that's around 2100USCF
>and up) are laughing so loud about deep blue that just like kasparov
>they don't take deep blue serious anymore.
>
>but to talk about the first game. How many programs do you know play
>next pathetic moves:
>
> 10..h6?
> 11..Qa5?
> 12..Bc7?
> 13..g5?
> 22..g4?
>
>5 bad moves? Que? I'm pretty sure i saw less blunders in games
>at the IPCCC.
>
>Seirawan also thinks move 33..Qb5 is real bad but i don't care
>about that move as position is already lost by then.
>
>Next games you clearly see Kasparov tries to give the computer a pawn
>up or similar and then tries to win the endgame (bad idea btw cuz
>kasparov is not so good in endgame compared to opening)
>
>In game 2 kasparov clearly makes a huge number of mistakes in an opening
>he has never played in his life. Also he only gets left because of
>real bad moves with a position with just 1 open file and only 1 can
>win then... ...unless you of course blunder.
>
>But about the Kh1 move in game 2, this is a win for sure.
>The played move Kf1 is a tactical blunder.
>
>Now Deep Blue for sure wasn't tactical weak, but DIEP would have
>won there with Kh1 because it sees the tactics!!
>
>How many of your progs also find Kh1!!
>
>Greetings,
>Vincent
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