Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:55:42 03/03/01
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On March 02, 2001 at 08:18:35, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 02, 2001 at 07:21:29, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On March 02, 2001 at 02:14:20, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On March 02, 2001 at 00:20:20, Albert Silver wrote: >>> >>>>On March 01, 2001 at 22:31:24, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>>You should look below. Uri has shed some doubt on the draw. >>>>> >>>>> Albert >>>> >>>>It's a draw, nevermind. >>> >>>It was not a draw at least in the game between chessmaster8000 and itself >>>see http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?156697 >>> >>>I did not see a forced line that lead to a draw and the position should be >>>analyzed to prove if it is a draw or not a draw. >>> >>>Uri >> >>DIEP says it's a draw and i go for DIEP instead of a forward pruning >>prog called The King, which probably played on a level similar to 5 0. >>Did it play Qe3 at the first move anyway? > >You did not look at the link. > >The question was if the line Qe3 Qxd6 Re8 Qd7+ Re7 Qc6 is leading to a draw or >to win for white and not if the king can find qe3. >The time control was 5 minutes per move. > >I admit that I did not analyze this line after the game and believed that it >cannot be good for white because white wasted some tempos by Qc6-d6-d7-c6 but it >was discovered by some programs after hours that the line above is probably the >best for both sides. > >Deep fritz gave this line as the main line after many hours and I remember this >line also from Diep's output that you posted. > >Uri Deep Blue would never play this line with white for sure. Score for this line is very near to zero. And any program will score it near to zero for sure. No point in proving it's a perpetual line. You have equal pawns, black has a connected passer. Whit ehas a far passer. You can exchange pawns. No big problem for any evaluation to score near draw score. This line definitely is not crucial in any respect. that you keep busy with those tempi losing lines already proves how draw the other lines are. These other lines are the problem for the computer! Interesting is to figure out the depth of the lines needed to see!
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