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Subject: Re: Testposition - The Winning Arrow

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 08:52:52 03/03/01

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On March 03, 2001 at 10:08:52, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On March 03, 2001 at 09:21:57, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2001 at 09:11:23, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't understand, with me the ply depth was 18 with 128MB hash.  I'll try it
>>>again, maybe somthing went wrong.
>>>
>>>Ernst.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I tried it again, and no f4 at ply 16, but at ply 18 again.  Beats me.
>>For the record, I used a hashtable of 128MB.
>>
>>Ernst.
>
>There is nothing wrong with your setup. What happens is that Deep Fritz will
>find f4 at a different depth when changing the hash size. With 256MB hash
>running on 1 P933 it finds f4 at ply 18, like on your computer with 128Mb. With
>184MB hash, DF sees it at ply 16. In other positions it may be the other way
>around. Not so uncommon.
>
>8/p1p2pp1/1pP3p1/3Pb2k/4P3/5P1P/8/3K2B1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by DEEP FRITZ   :
>
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kd2 a5
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 4/7   00:00:00
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Ke2 a5 4.Kd3
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 5/9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Bd2 a4
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 6/9   00:00:00  2kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Bd2 a4
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 6/9   00:00:00  2kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Bd2 a4
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 6/9   00:00:00  2kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Bd2 a4 5.Bb4
>  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 7/13   00:00:00  7kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Kb3 b5 5.Ka2 Kh4
>  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  14kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Kc2 a5 4.Kc1 a4 5.Kb1 b5 6.Ka2
>  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 9/14   00:00:00  36kN
>2.Ke2!
>  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 9/17   00:00:00  74kN
>2.Ke2 Kh4 3.Be3 Bd6 4.Bd4 f6 5.Ke3 Kxh3 6.f4 a5
>  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 10/17   00:00:00  124kN
>2.Be3!
>  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 10/17   00:00:00  143kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Bf2 a5 4.Kc2 a4 5.Kb1 b5 6.Bc5
>  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 11/19   00:00:00  284kN
>2.Bf2!
>  µ  (-0.87)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:00  379kN
>2.Bf2 a5 3.Kc2 a4 4.Be1 a3 5.Kb3 Bd6 6.Bc3 Kh4 7.e5 Bc5
>  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:01  744kN
>2.Be3!
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:01  1016kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Bf2 a5 4.Kc2 a4 5.Be1 Bd6 6.Bc3 f6 7.Be1 a3
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:02  1872kN
>2.Be3 f6 3.f4 Bd6 4.Ke2 a5 5.Kf3 a4 6.Bd4 g5 7.e5 Bc5
>  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 14/25   00:00:06  4670kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Bc1 Bd6 4.e5 Bxe5 5.Ba3 Kh4 6.d6 g6 7.d7 Bf6
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 15/28   00:00:11  7716kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Bc1 Bd6 4.e5 Bxe5 5.Ba3 Bf6 6.d6 Bd8 7.d7 Kh4
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:18  12863kN
>2.Be3 g5 3.Bc1 Bd6 4.e5 Bxe5 5.Ba3 Bf6 6.Bf8 Bd8 7.d6 cxd6
>  ³  (-0.62)   Depth: 17/32   00:00:32  22662kN
>2.Bf2!
>  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 17/33   00:01:06  45660kN
>2.Bf2 a5 3.Be1 f6 4.Bc3 Bd6 5.f4 Bxf4 6.e5 fxe5 7.Bd2 Bg3
>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 18/33   00:01:49  75635kN
>2.f4!
>  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 18/36   00:02:54  121186kN, tb=1
>2.f4! Bxf4 3.Bd4 f6 4.e5 fxe5 5.Be3 Bg3 6.Bg5 e4 7.Be7 g5
>  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 18/36   00:02:57  123879kN, tb=1
>2.f4!
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19/37   00:03:14  135836kN, tb=2
>2.f4 Bxf4 3.Bd4 f6 4.e5 fxe5 5.Be3 Bg3 6.Bf2 Bf4 7.Be3 Bg3
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 20/41   00:04:05  173125kN, tb=6
>2.f4 Bxf4 3.Bd4 f6 4.e5 fxe5 5.Be3 Bg3 6.Bf2 Bf4 7.Be3 Bg3
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21/40   00:05:55  253403kN, tb=14
>
>(Irazoqui, Cadaqués 03.03.2001)

Hi Enrique, Sure I'm familiar with hash table side effects, but in message
www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?156940 Sune reported that

QUOTE

I can add here that on my PIII 800, 128 MB hash used, Deep Fritz
finds 1.f4 in 73 seconds - with a draw score.

Sune

UNQUOTE

and in message www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?156952

QUOTE

The ply depth was 16.

UNQUOTE

This is what I cannot combine because with a hash size of 128MB it takes 18 plys
to find f4 with me, and surely with you as well.

I think that accidentally he was using a larger hash size when he reported his
findings above, like in message www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?156957

Ernst.




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