Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 15:54:17 03/15/98
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>Hi Thorsten, > >I make it short: Yes , very short , ugh ! :-)))))) >1) I accept that you have no convincing Fritz results on your machine. Bravo. And I guess this is because I am a prejudiced guy, isn't it ?! I guess my machines feel the same prejudices ... :-) >2) I also accept that not only one, but quite a number of others >meanwhile has more positive (some of them *much* more positive9 test >results. How many of them do use the SO CALLED chessBase-autoplayer ? Could this be a hidden-parameter into the whole problem ?! I think so. >3) I belong to 2). I thought so. :-) >a) I already had impressive results on a P133 with only 32Meg(engine >games and tests) really ?! Unbelievable. >b) I had good results on two P75-machines run with double tournament >time (to get P133 tournament games). >After these games and tests I said: well, I think a Top5 program. You were always a very good tester. It seems I am completely unexperiences. You are still my idol Dirk. >c) I now even have even better results with engine games on my new >P200MMx processor with meanwhile(!) 64 Meg. Hm. And THIS is what makes me astonished. You use 44 MB Hash and you have copied the fr5book.ctg on the HD like I have ? Do you play manually or ChessBase autoplayer. Which time control ?! >After these games and tests I say: well, maybe not quite as strong as >the Swedish list suggests (you know I don't count doubles which occur >quite often in owadays book learners etc...), but competing for rank 1 >anyway! Hm. Unbelievable. >4) I ask you: how many tournament games with Fritz5 do you have? 20? 30? I don't know. I save them in Fritz database, but I create a new database with each opponent I test against fritz. I have to add before I knew exactly. >5) You know what follows: I do *not* accept that you only consider the >small number of your *own* games (and they can't be too many - played >manually besides all the other testing you do). You have your opinion. I do have mine. It is your free will to believe whatever you want. >So I think, to get a fair impression you *have* to consider more empiric >material beside your own as long as you don't have very good reasons for >the suspicion that not only a little bit, but a lot is wrong with how >others test the same program. As far as I have not seen this magic autoplayer of chessBase, as far as I have not seen which lines were chosen and which not and why not, I do not accept ANY single game this ChessBase autoplayer has ever played. I repeat: I cannot accept ONE single game of an autoplayer that comes with a book I don't know and I cannot proof it is the commercial book. Sorry. >I see no reason for such a suspicion at the moment. I do see a reason. >So all in all I still think that *you* are the one with a prejudice in >*this* case and that *not* the impression of others - based on the >*huge* majority of played test games - is mislead. I am in good company. Stefan Meyer Kahlen and Richard Lang and Chrilly Donninger and Kaare Danielsen seem to have "prejudices" too... :-) >I frankly say that it is my personal impression that you don't like >Fritz in a way that leads to prejudices from my view. I have no problems to speak about prejudices. A prejudice that is known and a mind open for a change is not a danger. The people beeing proud that they have never changed their minds are the problem. >I do not speak of >prejudices in general, just in *this* case, for concrete reasons from >our various talks about the matter. I have no problems. I am used to speak about my faults. >I know well you think it the other way round and think that I am biased. :-) >You should, however, *not* raise the false impression that Moritz or I >are working for Chessbase. You are in friendship with Matthias. And other people. I do understand this. I like him too. > We both know Matthias well, and years ago I >gave them an an experimaental opening book I had made for my own fun. Confirm here. >Some years before I had some other contacts to people from Saitek, and >many people here have had such kinds of contacts for reasons connected >to their hobby. Yes. >Taken alltogether the contacts of Moritz and me, they >are still *much* smaller by far than the contacts you had to a *lot* of >computer companies in the course of years, partly cooperating *close* >with some of them and some programmers then. :-) >All this without me *ever* having raised the suspicion that *this* could >play any role for your testing! I found this remark of yours quite >inappropriate, since you know me for a long time and I don't remember a >single case where I would have acted according to influences by >commercial interests. I have not said YOU cheat. But I say you maybe use special ChessBase autoplayer or whatever engine. >We are talking about *personal* like and dislike and *personal* >prejudices now, and that is something completely else. And I simply keep >up my very personal impression from you that you have been *very* >emotional and biased towards Fritz since a long time and especially >towards Fritz5 recently. :-))) >But I should not get more serious than necessary about this. It's only >about a program. We disagree sharply this time, I am aware now of this >message from your last post now, but time will come and definitely tell >sooner or later who of us was right. :-))) >Be shure that I will admit it *if* >we find a big hair in the soup. I am in this case a little like Andersch Klosterschueler in Sansibar oder der letzte Grund. Sceptical. >So let's take it how it comes and talk >again after falsifying or verifying all the present results in a calm >way... >Yours Dirk Sleep well. I don't wanna lose another friend this week. I could not bear 2 in a week-end.
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