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Subject: Re: Deeper Blue is still 100 times faster than the latest PC's

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:33:42 03/04/01

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On March 04, 2001 at 06:40:41, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 04, 2001 at 05:34:52, Bo Persson wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2001 at 19:17:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2001 at 16:31:15, Jonathan Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>>Although Deeper Blue was used in 1997 it is still faster than the PC's.
>>>>The PC software may have already equalled Deeper Blue.
>>>>Someone on the CCC has all games documented by Deep Thought, Deep Blue, and
>>>>Deeper Blue.
>>>>Jonathan (112 message)
>>>
>>>The faster is not always the better.
>>
>>Not always, but if you are 100-1000 times faster you definitely have an
>>advantage...
>>
>>>The question is which program is better.
>>>
>>>IBM does not want to do a public match between Deeper blue and the top programs
>>>of today.
>>
>>IBM's marketing department are *very* satisfied with the current situation:
>>"Deep Blue beat the World Champion".
>>
>>Obvoiusly, you can only go down from that position, so IBM retired their player
>>while beeing the unbeaten champion.
>
>I disagree that you can go only down.
>
>Some chess players believe that deeper blue is not clearly better than the best
>commercial programs so you can go up from their point of view if you get a
>convincing victory against the commercial programs.


IBM doesn't give a rat's behind about what a few chess players think.  The
public perception is that deep blue beat the world champion and is the best
chess player in the world.  IBM isn't going to do _anything_ to change that
perception.  Until they think it will be to their advantage to do something...



>
>They cannot fo up from the point of view of most of the people but if you go up
>from the point of view of 1/100 of the public and do not go down from the point
>of view of 99/100 of the public then it is clear that you go up.
>
>
>>
>>>The only chance to get information is if someone buys Deeper blue from IBM in
>>>order to investigate this question.
>>
>>Not for sale. You probably would have to buy the entire IBM to get access to
>>Deep Blue.
>
>I guess that if somebody pays 1,000,000,000$  then he can buy deeper blue but
>not the entire IBM.

I wouldn't bet on that.  It depends on what IBM thinks the DB mantra is worth
to them as a company.  They might well think the reputation of DB is worth far
more to them that just one billion dollars.




>
>IBM does not sell deeper blue but my guess is that it is going to be changed if
>someone will suggest 1,000,000,000$ for it.
>
>Uri



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