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Subject: Re: Testposition - War or Peace

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 12:46:39 03/07/01

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On March 07, 2001 at 15:35:37, John Merlino wrote:

>On March 07, 2001 at 13:59:17, Sune Larsson wrote:
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>>  [D]8/5pP1/1R6/7P/8/k7/p6r/K7 w - - 0 5
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>>  After Mozes,L 1975
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>>  This is a rook ending with 2 vs 2 pawns. White is in huge trouble.
>>  True he has two alert passers but he is facing an acute mate threat
>>  on the first rank. The draw is there with 1.Ra6+ Kb3 2.Rb6+ etc. but
>>  is there way to play for win without committing suicide?
>>  After 10 minutes Fritz shows 0.00. War or peace?
>>
>>
>>  Test: 1) White to move and play for a win. Find the + evals!
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>>        2) According to Mr Mozes it's white to move and win.
>>           Is this true?  Some positions with KQ - KRP might
>>           easily happen. This is for people who have all the 5 men TB:s.
>>           The original solution further down.
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>>  Sune
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>>Mozes,L
>>1975
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>>1.Rb1 axb1Q+ 2.Kxb1 Kb3 3.Kc1 Kc3 4.Kd1 Kd3 5.Ke1 Ke3 6.Kf1 Kf3 7.g8Q Rh1+ 8.Qg1
>>Rxg1+ 9.Kxg1 Kg4 10.h6 1-0
>>
>>What about all the 5 men endings if black takes the h-pawn somewhere?
>>Are they all won for white?
>
>No problem for CM8000, as it sees the answer in 2:52 on a P3-600:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	4/5	0.00	5029		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>0:00	6/7	0.00	38870		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>0:01	7/8	0.00	96594		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>0:02	8/9	0.00	253904		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>0:07	9/10	0.00	686900		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>0:17	10/11	0.00	1733359		1. Ra6+ Kb3 2. Rb6+ Ka3
>2:52	10/11	1.36	17416616	1. Rb1 axb1=Q+ 2. Kxb1 Kb3 3. Kc1
>					Kc3 4. Kd1 Kd3 5. Ke1 Ke3 6. Kf1
>					Rxh5 7. g8=Q f5
>6:30	11/12	1.30	38386917	1. Rb1 axb1=Q+ 2. Kxb1 Kb3 3. Kc1
>					Kc3 4. Kd1 Kd3 5. Ke1 Ke3 6. Kf1
>					Rxh5 7. g8=Q Rf5+ 8. Ke1 Ke4
>19:52	12/13	1.41	114787819	1. Rb1 axb1=Q+ 2. Kxb1 Kb3 3. Kc1
>					Kc3 4. Kd1 Kd3 5. Ke1 Ke3 6. Kf1
>					Rxh5 7. g8=Q Rf5+ 8. Ke1 Ke4 9.
>					Qg4+ Rf4
>
>jm

 Impressive that CM chooses 1.Rb1+ that quick. Maybe it has something
 to do with lack of TB:s?!  The last variation above is one of them
 5 men endings I was talking about. Wonder if that position really
 is a win for white. The author of the study obviously believed so.

 Sune



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