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Subject: Re: ChessBase 8.0

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 16:47:12 03/07/01

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On March 07, 2001 at 17:17:50, Frederic Friedel wrote:

>On March 07, 2001 at 03:19:19, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>> Yes, I can confirm the above, i.e. "search of the board position doesn't work
>> properly."
>> Or doesn't work at all. As for now this function consitutes a piece of trash.
>> I would even go so far as to recommend possible purchasers *not* to buy this
>> product until being fixed. Just now I searched for the famous endgame position
>> in Pillsbury-Gunsberg, Hastings 1895, where Pillsbury broke through with 27.f5!
>> Result: *Nothing*  But the game is of course in Big2001 and this DB is set
>> to Reference DB... Simply doesn't work. I know that Enrique I. has a lot of
>> similar experiences. As he told me "It happens all the time."
>
>
>I tried it out, did a position search in Mega 2001 for
>
>1n6/4k2p/p3ppp1/1pPp1P2/3P2P1/3NP3/P3K2P/8
>wKe2,Nd3,Pa2,c5,d4,e3,f5,g4,h2/bKe7,Nb8,Pa6,b5,d5,e6,f6,g6,h7
>
>and in zero seconds got
>
>Pillsbury,H - Gunsberg,I [D94]
>Hastings Hastings, 1895
>1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.e3 g6 4.Nc3 Bg7 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Bd3 0-0 7.Ne5 dxc4 8.Bxc4 Nd5 9.f4
>Be6 10.Qb3 b5 11.Bxd5 Bxd5 12.Nxd5 Qxd5 13.Qxd5 cxd5 14.Nd3 Nd7 15.Bd2 Rfc8
>16.Ke2 e6 17.Rhc1 Bf8 18.Rxc8 Rxc8 19.Rc1 Rxc1 20.Bxc1 Bd6 21.Bd2 Kf8 22.Bb4 Ke7
>23.Bc5 a6 24.b4 f6 25.g4 Bxc5 26.bxc5 Nb8 27.f5* g5 28.Nb4 a5 29.c6 Kd6 30.fxe6
>Nxc6 31.Nxc6 Kxc6 32.e4 dxe4 33.d5+ Kd6 34.Ke3 b4 35.Kxe4 a4 36.Kd4 h5 37.gxh5
>a3 38.Kc4 f5 39.h6 f4 40.h7 1-0
>
>with the position after 27.f5 on the board. I can't figure out what may be going
>wrong. The only ways I could make the search fail was:
>
>1. by leaving some other criteria on from a previous search (e.g. "Kasparov" in
>the Player's field) -- it is advisable to reset the search mask with "Reset" to
>make sure something like this does not occur;
>
>2. by setting the move window to less than 27 moves (i.e. First=1, Length=1,
>Last=26 will not retieve the position, whereas First=1, Length=1, Last=27 will).
>
>Please check whether it could be one of the above. Maybe you can give me some
>other positions that are not retrieved, so we can try and duplicate the error.

 Gunther explained the problem very accurately in his post. I can add that
 if you a) set up a position, i.e. the Pillsbury one  b) right click on the
 board - you get the option "search in...Big2001". Now, this search will
 also result in nothing,  obviously for the same reason mentioned by Gunther.
 This is not good.

 Sune




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