Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 06:04:42 03/08/01
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On March 08, 2001 at 08:35:12, Uri Blass wrote: >On March 08, 2001 at 08:28:53, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On March 07, 2001 at 21:29:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On March 07, 2001 at 16:52:41, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On March 07, 2001 at 00:19:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 06, 2001 at 22:45:11, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>The fact that Thorsten's are closer to the WMCCC neither makes it better nor the >>>>>>results more trustworthy. I would believe the SSDF or Enrique's results >>>>>>more than either the WMCCC or Thorsten's tourney run as it is. The number of >>>>>>games played and the fact that those programs are available to all users being >>>>>>the main reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>>In Thorsten's current tourney for example there are programs running whose >>>>>>settings are unknown such as Shredder 4 chessbits and Genius 6.5 Czub style. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>this is no different from the dozens of other basement tournaments that >>>>>get reported here. 500 different chessmaster personalities. tournaments >>>>>with oddball books. Tournaments with the nunn starting positions. All >>>>>are interesting. each is no more or less valuable than the others... >>>> >>>> >>>>There are slight differences. Typically posters of those CM basement >>>>tourneys do post the settings of the different engines. I have never seen >>>>a tournament from any Nunn starting positions, matches yes, but tourneys would >>>>be interesting. >>>> >>>>Again as I have said it is his tourney to run as he sees fit even the current >>>>change of Fritz 6 to Deep Fritz two totally different programs. Now what happens >>>>at the end a little note...1. Deep Fritz was Fritz 6b through 3 rounds. >>>>etc etc. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Further a program in any of it's modified forms can win the WMCCC 10 years in a >>>>>>row and I would still trust the SSDF results as being more accurate. They play >>>>>>more games and use the exact software available to anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>>This question now though about Enrique's the WMCCC and Thorsten's tournaments >>>>>>ignores your earlier statement which is what I originally responded to about the >>>>>>SSDF. That their results are more representative of the user product plus >>>>>>my previous statement that there never was any proof that anything irregular >>>>>>happened. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sarah. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It is hard to prove things when _all_ games are not publicly available. I >>>>>personally don't care myself, as it doesn't really matter to me since I don't >>>>>sell a chess product and don't depend on their rating list for advertising >>>>>my chess engine to increase sales. >>>>> >>>>>In any case, I see no reason to grumble about adding new versions as they >>>>>become available. Since it is no different than every other computer chess >>>>>event that has been held where programmers attend. >>>> >>>> >>>>This statement is fine, as I said originally I joined this thread after you >>>>statement about the SSDF which it nows appears you are removing. >>> >>>Not at all. So far as I recall, the SSDF _did_ test a version of fritz that >>>you could _not_ buy. I also believe they have accepted other bugfixes from time >>>to time, but I'm not the one to answer for them. Perhaps they can respond since >>>several of the testers are regular posters here? >> >>Hi! >> >>It was the same version of Fritz5/16 but with a working autoplayer. >>There was also some other well-known persons that received the auto232 version >>of F5. It is about the same as that some people received Rebel10 with autoplayer >>but SSDF didn't. >>We accept bug-fixes if they are publically available in example Hiarcs7 to 7.01 >>or the fix for the Tiger12-book. >> >>Bertil SSDF > >If I remember correctly there was at least one case when Fritz5(with the >autoplayer) amd Fritz5(without the autoplayer) did not play the same move. >I am not sure if it was about Fritz5 but I am sure it was about the autoplayer. > >I think that Enrique can give more details. > >Uri Hi! Ok, in that case please give me some details. I checked some games with F5/16 with and without autoplayer and there wasn't any difference. It was F5/16 against some Rebel-version. Bertil
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