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Subject: Re: If you like to sove a mate...

Author: leonid

Date: 07:48:43 03/11/01

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On March 11, 2001 at 10:34:33, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 11, 2001 at 10:29:36, leonid wrote:
>
>>On March 11, 2001 at 01:02:52, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On March 10, 2001 at 19:48:24, leonid wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 10, 2001 at 18:27:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 10, 2001 at 18:03:46, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 10, 2001 at 08:11:29, leonid wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you like to solve one light mate then you can try this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]nqNBNqn1/2QKQ3/Nq3qN1/n1rkr1n1/R1NbN1R1/1n1q1n2/8/Q2B2Q1 w - -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please, indicate your result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Leonid.
>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>This is the Result of Gandalf4.32h on a Celeron@850! The time is nice too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Engine: Gandalf 4.32hUCI
>>>>>>von Steen Suurballe
>>>>>>Position:
>>>>>>  1.05	 0:00 	-3.88++ 	1.S4xf6+ (142.189) 284.3
>>>>>>  1.05	 0:00 	 0.00 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 (275.085) 275.0
>>>>>>  1.06	 0:01 	+0.01++ 	1.S4xb6+ (276.381) 251.2
>>>>>>  1.06	 0:01 	+0.01 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 (394.592) 263.0
>>>>>>  1.26	 0:06 	+0.01++ 	1.Dgxd4+ (1.879.540) 268.5
>>>>>>  1.26	 0:07 	+3.60 	1.Dgxd4+ Dxd4 2.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 3.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 4.Lxf3+ Sxf3
>>>>>>5.Txd4+ Sbxd4 6.Dexc5+ Ke4 (1.961.678) 268.7
>>>>>>  1.27	 0:07 	+3.61++ 	1.Daxd4+ (1.966.070) 269.3
>>>>>>  1.27	 0:07 	+3.61 	1.Dgxd4+ Dxd4 2.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 3.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 4.Lxf3+ Sxf3
>>>>>>5.Txd4+ Sbxd4 6.Dexc5+ Ke4 (1.969.856) 269.8
>>>>>>  2.01	 0:07 	+3.60 	1.Dgxd4+ Dxd4 2.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 3.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 4.Lxf3+ Sxf3
>>>>>>5.Txd4+ Sbxd4 6.Dexc5+ Ke4 (2.003.867) 267.1
>>>>>>  2.03	 0:07 	+3.61++ 	1.S4xf6+ (2.019.851) 269.3
>>>>>>  2.03	 0:07 	+5.90++ 	1.S4xf6+ (2.022.325) 266.0
>>>>>>  2.01	 0:07 	+3.60 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 3.Txd4+ Dxd4 4.Lxf3+ Sxf3
>>>>>>5.Dgxd4+ Sbxd4 6.Dexc5+ Ke4 (2.041.855) 268.6
>>>>>>  2.04	 0:07 	+3.61++ 	1.S4xb6+ (2.042.840) 268.7
>>>>>>  2.04	 0:07 	+3.61 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 3.Txd4+ Dxd4 4.Lxf3+ Sxf3
>>>>>>5.Dgxd4+ Sbxd4 6.Dexc5+ Ke4 (2.052.184) 266.5
>>>>>>  3.01	 0:09 	+4.09++ 	1.S4xf6+ (2.705.746) 270.5
>>>>>>  3.01	 0:10 	+4.57++ 	1.S4xf6+ (2.710.708) 268.3
>>>>>>  3.01	 0:10 	+5.53++ 	1.S4xf6+ (2.749.869) 269.5
>>>>>>  3.01	 0:10 	+5.90 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 3.Lxf3+ Sxf3 4.Dxb8 Sxg1
>>>>>>5.Sxf8 Txe7+ 6.Sxe7+ Dxe7+ 7.Lxe7 Lxa1 8.Dxa8+ Sc6 (2.872.619) 268.4
>>>>>>  3.02	 0:10 	+5.91++ 	1.S4xb6+ (2.918.454) 267.7
>>>>>>  3.02	 0:11 	+5.91 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 3.Lxf3+ Sxf3 4.Dxb8 Sxg1
>>>>>>5.Sxf8 Txe7+ 6.Sxe7+ Dxe7+ 7.Lxe7 Lxa1 8.Dxa8+ Sc6 (3.022.499) 267.4
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:41 	+7.66++ 	1.S4xf6+ (11.588.388) 278.5
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:42 	+9.40++ 	1.S4xf6+ (12.001.613) 279.1
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:44 	+12.89++ 	1.S4xf6+ (12.359.861) 279.0
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:45 	+19.86++ 	1.S4xf6+ (12.690.370) 279.5
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:45 	+33.82++ 	1.S4xf6+ (12.757.582) 279.7
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:45 	+61.72++ 	1.S4xf6+ (12.761.755) 279.2
>>>>>>  4.01	 0:55 	  +M8 	1.S4xf6+ Sxf6+ 2.Sxf6+ Dbxf6 3.Dgxd4+ Dxd4 4.Dxd4+ Sfxd4
>>>>>>5.Dexe5+ Dxe5 6.Dxe5+ Dxe5 7.S8b6+ Sxb6+ 8.Sxb6+ (15.992.615) 288.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bye Ingo
>>>>>
>>>>>Junior5.9 can see mate in 8 after 25 seconds on p200 so the time of Gandalf4.32h
>>>>>is not so good.
>>>>
>>>>This is not that clear. Previous prgoram could look for solution by brute force
>>>>and then its time is excellent. But if your program looked by brute force and
>>>>found mate in 25 seconds then it is the best for sure.
>>>>
>>>>Actual time for selective search could be very much below of brute force search.
>>>>This is true almost for every position. This position my program solve by brute
>>>>force in almost two minutes but take it by selective (also 8 moves) in only two
>>>>seconds.
>>>>
>>>>Leonid.
>>>
>>>Both Gandalf and Junior are playing programs so they did not look for mate by
>>>brute force.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Maybe! I remember that I used for some time Genius 2 and Chess Master 4000. Both
>>of them were able to find practically all result in impecable way. This is why I
>>presume that they used somewhere brute force search. It could be that they used
>>in the same time some selective search for start. In few occasions thay were
>>very quick in their solutions.
>>
>>My program, on default search, look for mate in two different ways. So even
>>before brute search (if was not said otherwise) it will try its selective
>>search. It could be that many other programs will do the same. I presume also
>>that Heiner program search very often by brute force.
>
>Heiner's program(Chest) always searches by brute force.
>
>When it finds mate in 8 it means that there is no shorter mate.
>
>Chess playing program do not do it and when they say mate in 8 there could be a
>shorter mate that they did not see.
>
>Gandalf says depth 4.01 when it finds mate in 8 and I guess that it means that
>it only searched for depth 4 by brute force when even this brute force can
>include some null move pruning.

This is good to know.

Leonid.
>
>Uri



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