Author: Lonnie Cook
Date: 21:53:41 03/14/01
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On March 14, 2001 at 19:50:02, Robin Smith wrote: >On March 14, 2001 at 18:49:25, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On March 14, 2001 at 15:04:28, Peter McKenzie wrote: >> >>>On March 14, 2001 at 14:07:36, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On March 14, 2001 at 13:03:27, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://personalidentity.tripod.com/id27.htm >>>> >>>> >>>>Part 2 is a real bullshit. The author tries to demonstrate that computers do not >>>>"know" chess, and he actually demonstrates that he does not "know" computers and >>>>that he does not "know" the human brain. >>>> >>>>I have heard more meaningful comments in a pub, even very late at night. >>> >>>Ah yes, Searle's argument is clearly refuted by the well known reasoning: >>>'Christophe says it is bullshit, therefore it is bullshit'. I happen to >>>disagree with Searle's Chinese Room argument, but I don't think its as clear as >>>just saying it is a pile of crap. In fact, I think he makes some very good >>>points. >>> >>>Peter >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >> >> >>I tend to agree with Peter. Searle's argument is based on a simple stipulation >>that the coded instructions of a program (Chinese character manipulation program >>in the given case) are insufficient to account for the meanings of the symbols >>or of the set of sentences generated with their help. This, further, implies >>that functional, or computational, explanations are insufficient to account for >>referential semantics (plain English: reference), and, as such, for >>intentionality which is the hallmark of humans. >> >>This kind of argument can be criticised, but not dismissed lightly. I've been >>having problems for quite some time with it :-)) >> >>*** Djordje > >Searle goes on in section 3 to talk about the problem of consciousness. This is >a REAL hard problem. Why is it that some brain processes result in >consciousness, or awareness, or a sense of self .... Descartes "I think >therefore I am", while other brain processes such as those that regulate heart >rate, blood pressure, intestinal action etc. are outside conscious experience? >Until we understand consciousness in humans I don't see how anyone can answer >questions about whether or not what a computer does (such as Deep Blue) makes it >conscious. > Deep Blue won, just accept it, heehee >Robin Smith
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