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Subject: Re: Elo of Deep Blue

Author: José Antônio Fabiano Mendes

Date: 10:04:50 03/15/01

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On March 14, 2001 at 22:45:26, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 14, 2001 at 21:55:38, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On March 14, 2001 at 21:43:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 14, 2001 at 20:55:39, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 14, 2001 at 19:46:11, Sonja Tiede wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Question to all Computerexperts:
>>>>>
>>>>>What is the playing strength of Deep Blue .. in comparison to
>>>>>common chess programs on pc's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>S.T.
>>>>
>>>>Just because Deep Blue was able to beat Gary Kasparov, it was giving a very high
>>>>rating of over 2800, but in reality I don't think that Deep Fritz or Deep
>>>>Shredder are too far in playing capability in comparison to Deep Blue. I am not
>>>>comparing the calculating power of Deep Blue which is a parallel Super Computer
>>>>as you can read in detailin the next paragraph, but according to Joel Benjanmin
>>>>he played several games against Deep Blue and he was able to score 60% of the
>>>>games.
>>>
>>>Where did you see that?  The only statement I ever saw Joel make was that
>>>when asked how he did against DB while working on the book, he said "it killed
>>>me badly" or something similar.  This was at a press conference in NY during
>>>the second Kasparov match.
>>>
>>>I don't think _any_ GM scored 60% against the thing in any match ever played
>>>against it, or deep blue junior...
>>>
>>>
>>I will have to dig the article where Joel Stated that he played five practice
>>games and won 3 games, played with strategical squeezes.
>>
>
>
>That sounds like something he did when he _started_ working on the DB
>project.  The DB that played Kasparov used to beat him soundly, in his
>words...
>
>He played _hundreds_ of games against it, not just 5...
>
>
>
>>> Now if you take Joel Benjamin rating and compare it to Gary you will see
>>>>a tremendous difference, but he learned Deep Blue weakness and knew how to
>>>>control deep blue tactical edge, which is the reason why the deep Blue's team
>>>>never gave Kasparov any of Benjaming private testing games before the match,
>>>>whereas, deep Blue had a database of all kasparov previous games and opening
>>>>repertoires.

  "The reporter sitting next to me noticed Kasparov trying to suppress
   laughter when Tan mentioned Deep Blue's chess lessons with Joel Benjamin."
   Source:  http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~sca/scainfo/luchan.htm   JAFM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The latest iteration of the Deep Blue computer is a 32-node IBM RS/6000 SP
>>>>high-performance computer, which utilizes the new Power Two Super Chip
>>>>processors (P2SC). Each node of the SP employs a single microchannel card
>>>>containing 8 dedicated VLSI chess processors, for a total of 256 processors
>>>>working in tandem. Deep Blue's programming code is written in C and runs under
>>>>the AIX operating system. The net result is a scalable, highly parallel system
>>>>capable of calculating 100-200 billions moves within three minutes, which is the
>>>>time allotted to each player's move in classical chess.
>>>>
>>>>Improvements in this year's model
>>>>The most prominent improvement in Deep Blue is its speed. The computer is now
>>>>running on a faster system, the latest version of the RS/6000 SP, which employs
>>>>the Power Two Super Chip (P2SC) processors. "That will give us a factor of two
>>>>speed-up over the system that played last year," says Deep Blue developer Murray
>>>>Campbell. "And in chess programs, speed is very important. The faster you are,
>>>>the stronger you play."
>>>>
>>>>This means that Deep Blue will be able to examine and evaluate twice as many
>>>>chess positions per second than last year. Exactly how many? According to the
>>>>development team, Deep Blue will be able to explore 200,000,000 positions per
>>>>second. Incidentally, Garry Kasparov can examine approximately three positions
>>>>per second.
>>>>
>>>>Deep Blue's "chess knowledge" has been significantly enhanced over the past 12
>>>>months through the efforts of team consultant and international grandmaster Joel
>>>>Benjamin. Garry Kasparov is certainly a great chess player -- perhaps the
>>>>greatest in history -- but the new and improved Deep Blue offers a challenge
>>>>that even the world champion has yet to experience.
>>>>
>>>>Pichard



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