Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:23:42 03/15/01
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On March 15, 2001 at 21:56:16, Christophe Theron wrote: >On March 14, 2001 at 21:52:57, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On March 14, 2001 at 16:58:52, Andrew Dados wrote: >> >>>I think chess can be easily mistaken for a complex problem while it is not. As >>>you pointed most advances over last years were done thanks to speed increase >>>rather then software. >>> >>>In a problem where full information is available your move is determined; you >>>don't make 'decisions' or 'choices'. That is somehow obvious to me, however I >>>fail to create good set of arguments to back up my point that chess programs are >>>showing no intelligence. >>> >>>However if you call chess program intelligent exact same reasoning applies to >>>program playing 3x3 tic-tac-toe. Computation cost of solving a deterministic >>>model does not make a solution to it more 'intelligent', imo. >> >>I contend that the problem has to be sufficiently difficult before you can >>identify that quality (intelligence) in any decently large degree. >> >>bruce > > >Why do you need this artificial constraint? > >Just assume that intelligence is a continuum (spelling?) of degrees, that's much >simpler and widens its scope, so you can escape from anthropomorphism. > > > Christophe Yes.. but some things can be solved _without_ any intelligence. I huge maze will be difficult to escape from without some smarts. But a single room with 4 doors can be escaped from with a random algorithm that doesn't know anything about anything. IE I would say that finding a mate takes no real intelligence. A pure search can do it given enough time. But to choose between two moves that don't lead to mate requires something "else". The intelligence debate is hopeless. Since "intelligence" has never been adequately defined, there is no point in arguing whether a computer can exhibit it or not... But it does make for a lively conversation topic. Good way to torque off an AI guy in a discussion. :)
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