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Subject: Re: Help with strange tablebase output - Crafty-18.6 & Fritz6

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 13:09:53 03/16/01

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On March 16, 2001 at 16:02:20, John Hatcher wrote:

>Here is a position arising from Rueben Fine's "Basic Chess Endings", No. 309b -
>
>[D]r7/4P1k1/3K4/8/8/8/8/5R2 w
>
>White wins after 1. Ra1.  This solution was found instantly (of course) by both
>Wcrafty-18.6 (using Winboard) and Fritz6, both using the same 5-piece Nalimov
>tablebases.
>
>But now it gets strange.  What if White temporizes first with 1. Rg1+  Kf7,
>arising at this position:
>
>[D]r7/4Pk2/3K4/8/8/8/8/6R1 w
>
>Wcrafty-18.6 instantly finds the win after 2. Rf1+  Kg7 (not 2. ...Ke8? 3. Rf8#)
>3. Ra1, transposing into the first position.  However, Fritz6 doesn't see the
>win!?  It's engine output reads:
>
>Analysis by Fritz 6:
>
>1. = (0.03): 10.e8R Rxe8 11.Rf1+ Kg6 12.Kd5 Kg5 13.Rf7 Rd8+ 14.Ke5 Re8+
>2. = (0.00): 10.Re1
>3. = (0.00): 10.Rh1
>4. = (0.00): 10.Rd1
>5. = (0.00): 10.Ke5
>6. = (0.00): 10.Kd5
>
>How can Fritz6 see the win in the first position and not see it in the second?
>The most obvious move, 2. Rf1+, isn't even listed in the engine output!?
>
>What's going on here?  Can anyone duplicate this strange output?

That is very odd.  Every engine I tested (which knows about tablebase files)
found it immediately.

I have the 5 men files.  Maybe Fritz has only the 4 men files available?




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