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Subject: Re: Gandalf and endgames.

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 07:22:39 03/17/01

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On March 17, 2001 at 06:13:23, Christian Koch wrote:

> 8/8/pq1PQ1kp/6p1/8/7P/5PK1/8 b - -
>
>This is the evaluation of Gandalf. Gandalf needs much time to see that he is
>totally lost. Other programms only need seconds to see it.
>I think Gandalfs endgame should be improved to play at a high level.

I tried this position with Yace. Something strange happened:

     51305   0.702  -0.40  5.  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qe8+ Kf6 4.Qe7+ Kg6 5.Qe8+
                               Kf6 6.Qe7+ Kg6 {0}
    111931   1.638  -0.80  6-- 1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg8 3.d7 Qc6+ 4.Kg3 Qc7+ 5.Kg4
                               Qc6 6.d8=Q+ Qe8 {-921}
    137448   1.868  -7.64  6t  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.d8=Q
                               Qxh3+ 6.Kg1 {-841}
    150310   1.974  -7.64  6.  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.d8=Q
                               Qxh3+ 6.Kg1 {-841}

Here one could assume, that it really sees fast, that black is lost

    186148   2.222  -7.75  7t  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.Qd6+ Kg7
                               6.Qe7+ Kg6 7.Qe4+H Kf7H 8.d8=QH Qxh3+H 9.Kg1H
                               {-841}
    191019   2.266  -7.75  7.  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.Qd6+ Kg7
                               6.Qe7+ Kg6 7.Qe4+ Kf7 8.d8=Q Qxh3+ 9.Kg1 {-841}
    337668   3.199  -7.78  8t  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.Qd6+ Kf7
                               6.d8=Q Qxh3+ 7.Kg1 {-841}
    505552   4.276  -7.78  8.  1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 g4 5.Qd6+ Kf7
                               6.d8=Q Qxh3+ 7.Kg1 {-841}

And it kept about the same for another 2 plies. But now:

   1666011  12.245  -7.38  9++ 1...Kg7 2.Qe7+ Kg6 3.Qc7 Qb3 4.d7 Qd5+ 5.Kh2
                               Qd4 6.d8=R Qxf2+ 7.Kh1 {-340}
   6934801  57.940  -0.40  9t  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 {HT}
   7368426  1:01.4  -0.40  9.  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4

Huch: we are back at almost drawing score.

   8889435  1:13.5  -0.80 10-- 1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 gxh4 4.Qe8+ Kh7 5.Qe7+
                               Kg6 6.d7 Qc6+ 7.Kh2 Qc7+ 8.Kh3 h5 9.d8=Q a5
                               {-841}
  12883052  1:46.1  -1.68 10t  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 gxh4 4.Qe8+ Kf6 5.d7
                               Qc6+ 6.Kh2 Qc7+ 7.Kh3 Qc3+ 8.Kxh4 Qc4+ 9.Kg3
                               Qc7+ 10.f4 Qc3+ 11.Kg4 {HT} {0}
  13257667  1:48.9  -1.68 10.  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 gxh4 4.Qe8+ Kf6 5.d7
                               Qc6+ 6.Kh2 Qc7+ 7.Kh3 Qc3+ 8.Kxh4 Qc4+ 9.Kg3
                               Qc7+ 10.f4 Qc3+ 11.Kg4 {HT} {0}
  17090908  2:15.6  -2.08 11-- 1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 gxh4 4.Qe8+ Kf6 5.d7
                               Qc6+ 6.Kh2 Qc7+ 7.Kh3 Qc3+ 8.Kxh4 Qc4+ 9.Kg3
                               Qc7+ 10.f4 h5 11.d8=Q+ Kf5 {-921}
  26447712  3:26.8  -6.50 11t  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 Kh5 4.Qe8+ Kxh4 5.Qe3
                               Qxe3 6.fxe3 a5 7.d7 a4 8.d8=Q a3 9.e4 {-841}
  26573747  3:27.8  -6.50 11.  1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 Kh5 4.Qe8+ Kxh4 5.Qe3
                               Qxe3 6.fxe3 a5 7.d7 a4 8.d8=Q a3 9.e4 {-841}
  33767907  4:20.6  -6.90 12-- 1...Kg7 2.Qd7+ Kg6 3.h4 Kh5 4.Qe8+ Kxh4 5.Qe3
                               Qxe3 6.fxe3 a5 7.d7 Kh5 8.d8=Q Kg6

And after rather long time again at loosing score. I have not investigated the
reasons, but perhaps this is more complicated for a chess program, than it looks
at first sight.

Regards,
Dieter




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