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Subject: Re: The Chess Room Argument [by John R. Searle]

Author: Dan Newman

Date: 12:29:12 03/18/01

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On March 16, 2001 at 22:18:23, Robin Smith wrote:

>On March 15, 2001 at 05:41:33, Dan Andersson wrote:
>
>>I could not agree more. A good reference for furter reading is Daniel C.
>>Dennet's 'Consciousness explained.' It is a wonder of clarity and puts the
>>question to many antique notions IMO.
>>
>>Regards Dan Andersson
>
>I have read Dennet's 'Consciousness explained' cover to cover.  To me it would
>have been better titled 'Consciousness explained away.'  Although it tries, it
>never does explain the problem of consciousness more than to say it is a figment
>of our imagination.  What poppycock.  Who's imagination?
>
>Robin Smith

I agree.  Dennet seems to take aim at the problem (as indicated by the
title) but fails to explain anything except his own models of how
various mental functions might work.  To some that may seem explanation
enough.  I think it completely misses the point.  Those of us that see
a mystery here weren't really puzzling over the details of the various
kinds of mental activity (as interesting as that may be) but were
instead looking at (what seems to us to be) a deeper problem/mystery.

I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but there seem to be two sorts of
people: those that see that there is a mystery and those that don't.
This is very similar to what's going on in physics with one group of
scientists who see mystery/deep philosophical implications in quantum
mechanics and those that don't.  I'm not sure where the fault, if any,
lies.  It could just be an emotional or philosophical bent that leads
one person to "mystery" and another to prosaic explanations, or it
could be a lack of perception of some sort (on either side).  Or perhaps
lunacy.  Perhaps it's just a failure on the part of those that see the
mystery to provide a convincing argument to those that haven't yet
"seen" it.

I suspect the latter.  The nature of the mystery of consciousness makes
it very difficult to explicate.  I've tried for years to put it properly
into words but have (I think) mostly failed.  I think the problem may
come about because of a sort of vicious circularity, but I'm not sure.

The problem is that on the one hand, when we observe the world around
us, we don't see the mystery (of consciousness).  Everything seems (to
those of us with a scientific bent) to be explicable in principle.
The behavior of animals and humans, like the weather or any other
physical phenomenon, seems to arise completely out of the interactions
of their constituent parts (ultimately, particles, fields, and so forth)
and have nothing of a mysterious sort involved.  For instance, it seems
perfectly explicable how a person can look at something, a cow for
instance, and then say, "I see a cow".  The light from the sun is
scattered from the cow, impinges upon the lens of the eye, and is
focused onto the retina where it is converted into electro-chemical
signals which eventually enter the brain, get processed, etc. etc.
Admittedly many of the details are very fuzzy, but the necessity of
invoking anything extra beyond the physical seems nil.  But if you are
that person (instead of the observer of that person) there seems to be
something more, something which isn't at all required to explain what
the observer sees.  It might be labeled conscious experience, or
sensation, or being, or the buzz of being alive, or whatever, but
whatever *it* is, it seems like it isn't at all required for things to
be as they appear to be (to the observer of conscious entities) and
seems to be entirely unconnected with any explanation of behavior that
might be said to indicative of consciousness...

Now, if you aren't very introspective or otherwise haven't observed
this "phenomenon" within yourself, you likely will be very skeptical
about its existence or importance.  And even if you have, you might
be inclined to dismiss it as unimportant or irrelevant.  This (I
suspect) is due entirely to personal preference and depends on your
philosophical leanings (if you have any).  Or perhaps some of us aren't
conscious and some are.  The ones that are not simply don't have this
"experience" to report.  Maybe only I am conscious (after all I'm
only inferring that others are because 1) I don't particularly relish
the idea of living as a solipsist and 2) it's a simpler theory to
imagine others are conscious too) :).

I suspect consciousness is the ultimate mystery, or one of the ultimate
mysteries to set along side such mysteries as the nature of time and
space or the nature and origin of the cosmos.  It may be the sort of
thing that can't ever be figured out.  After all, an explanation of a
"thing" is always in terms of other "things" which themselves must be
explained if we wish completeness.  It seems we can't extend this
ad infinitum.  If we terminate at some level, we then have unexplained
things (like axioms in mathematics).  If all is explained, the
explanations must be, perforce, circular, and circular explanations
seem worthless somehow...

-Dan.



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