Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 14:25:51 03/20/01
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On March 20, 2001 at 06:44:10, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On March 20, 2001 at 01:50:23, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On March 20, 2001 at 01:16:31, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On March 20, 2001 at 01:02:54, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On March 19, 2001 at 20:59:20, gerard sanchez wrote: >>>> >>>>>I am extemely cusious as to how the best in Computer Chess-Deep Fritz, will fair >>>>>up agaist the best in Human Chess. An exhibition 6 game match at standard time >>>>>control woul surely inspire huge interest. >>>>> >>>>>On a second thought, who will represent Computer Chess in the next Dortmonth >>>>>Tournament? Will it be Deep Junior again? >>>> >>>>What claim does Fritz have to be best these days? I know that it's very good, >>>>but did it win a world championship recently or something? >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>> >>> >>>He has won the most difficult event of all times. He is number one on the SSDF >>>list. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>Hi Christophe, >> >>I like this comment! >> >>Chess Tiger 13, Shredder 5, Gandalf 4.32h, TheKing 3.x, Insomniac, Ferret, >>Arthur, Chess Wizard, Zarkov and I think x strong other programs are not listed >>in the SSDF but Fritz is here the number 1 ... this is right ! > >I have explained the reasons for this, for you several times but you happens to >ignore it every time. In agreement with Christophe we are awaiting the upgraded >patched version of Tiger and Gambit, and it can very well be number one as it >was for the christmas list with Tiger12. Shredder5 is included, now more than >500 games, so we know very well the strength of Shredder5, in opposite to some >very well known names here in this forum that believes 9, 15 or 20 games in a >tournament or three is more accurate. In fact the same persons that can discuss >forever if 1000 games is enough to compare programs of about equal strength. Of >course they aren't serious and the intention you and only speculate about. It >takes some time to play 400-500 games with a new Gandalf4.32h and the program is >rather new. But we don't speculates that it is "50 elo better" then the previous >version without any proof as you do. Prove it I should love it, because I love >Gandalf and its playing style. We are also as you have heard a dozen times, try >to include Chessmaster 8000. In fact the most asked question to SSDF is about >CM8000. > > >>I can create a more interesting ELO list with programs which are not available >>in SSDF to programs which are available in the SSDF ! > >Good! >> >>A long discussion in the German CSS forum about this theme, I think the SSDF >>list is no more longer accurate, that a chess magazine publish this not complete >>list, sorry no all games, very old hardware, 4 of 5 of the strongest programs >>are missing and and and ! > >Speculation and speculation again, why not prove it instead with a few thosands >games. Old hardware, if two years old hardware means the results are meaningless >you are right otherwise you are wrong. As you know the average computer are over >three years old. Are you sure your results on P733 in 40/40 are much more >aaccurate then ours on 450 in 120/40. >> >>It`s for Chess-Base more interesting if more programs fighting for the first >>SSDF ranking but a list with 85% Chess-Base programs ís only a good publicity >>for Chess-Base and people writing ... now I will see Kasparov vs. Fritz ! > >As you remember I tried to answer all your questions and attacks in CSS-forum >and you said you should answer the questions from me but for some reason you >didn't. > >Bertil SSDF > >>SUPER SSDF ! >>Thanks ! >> >>Best >>Frank Hi Bertil, I read your eMail. My English is not good enough to give a good answere. I wrote all in German in CSS Forum. But I believe that a lot of your points are interesting. Bertil, I hope it is OK for you if I answere later of your text, I must have more time for this, I mean to answere in a bad but an English which can understand other readers. Best Frank Bertil, not all is bad on the SSDF rating list, I like the list a lot of years and ... in German ... Bin ja computerschachmäßig mit der Liste selbst aufgewachsen ... but at the moment I think is the rating list not very interesting and I am sure my little CCE list with one PC is also not the best but the organisatisation for readers is better. I will write later more ...
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