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Subject: Re: The End of the Learning Debate

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 00:31:48 03/21/98

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Well it is a lot of autoplaying but it could be done in part. However
Crafty's learning feature should prevent it from being caught very
often.  Amir Ban has suggested some ways of randomness within the
evaluation functions themselves which should put an end to book cooking
and being overcome by learners. I guess that programmers have been too
unimaginative in their book and evaluation  randomness up to now.
According to Amir, it should only be rarely possible to catch a random
program in a line. Looks like this whole learning debate will die down
as soon as randomness is worshipped by the programmers.


On March 20, 1998 at 14:22:40, Bela Andrew Evans wrote:

>KK, I disagree with the idea that you can autoplay and handtune
>your opening book to gain a big advantage against a program with
>a sufficiently varied opening book.  For example, look at crafty's
>mega opening files, or Fritz's powerbook, etc.  How long would it
>take to hand tune opening against something which could play
>different opening lines for hundreds upon hundreds of games without
>repeating the same line.  Even with autoplay, this would take too
>long to make it practical.  On the other hand, hand tuning with
>autoplay against Rebel, which plays so many Caro Kann and Slav lines,
>could be quite effective.
>
>Having said that, I don't see any reason why the chess programmers
>shouldn't make periodic opening book updates available -- they could
>simply graft the latest games onto their already huge opening books
>and make the results available on their web sites. The buying public
>would be grateful, surely.
>
>Bela



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