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Subject: Re: Netherlands and Germany -- unusual proportion of good chess programmers

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:12:33 03/22/01

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On March 22, 2001 at 22:39:31, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On March 22, 2001 at 20:52:37, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>On March 22, 2001 at 19:55:55, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>(...)  Considering the population of the countries
>>>and the number of programmers writing excellent chess programs, the proportion
>>>is as enormous as the previously mentioned GM proportions.
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any sort of explanation as to why this is so?  Educational
>>>system?  Cultural focus on this topic?  What?
>>
>>In terms of chess programmers to GMs ratio, Austria is even more astounding I
>>think. For example, Nimzo, Inmichess, and - geographically speaking - Hossa are
>>written in Austia. Lesser known examples are the old Ychess and RDChess, which
>>aren't WB engines. We have currently one or two GM's AFAIK.
>>
>>I don't know if there is a cultural focus on chess in the Netherlands, if there
>>is any, then it is certainly bigger than in Austria. Chess is virtually
>>inexistant in public live here; it appears neither on the local television nor
>>in advertisements etc., with very few exceptions.
>>
>>I think the reasons will be personal and individual one's; the programmers
>>themselves could probably explain this better.
>>
>>Interesting is also, that some countries seem to be underrepresented, at least
>>among the top programs (Italy, Spain, Canada, etc.). The importance of chess
>>tradition in this respect is noticable, when you think of Japan. Looks like
>>there must be large capacities which are not (yet) busy with chess programming.
>>
>>Regards,
>>M.Scheidl
>
>
>India comes also to mind.

India is interesting because it has a large number of good chess players and a
large number of good programmers but no (known -- at least by me) chess
programmers.

France is interesting because it has a lot of good chess programmers, but the
programs tend to stay in France (Notable exceptions: AnMon, TCBishop, ZChess and
a certain professional program from a French protectorate).

I think (at least for good amateur programs) Austria is behind Germany and the
Netherlands.  And now that I have again reviewed this list:
http://amateurschach.in-trier.de/schach/uebersicht.htm
Here is a count of countries with large numbers of amateur chess programmers:
Germany (18)
USA (16) [High population -- not surprising]
France (7) [it seems that I have slighted France -- quite a few here too]
Italy (5)
Netherland (4)
England (4)

The German, French, and Dutch engines seem to be strong on average.  I was also
thinking of Vincent when mulling over the Netherlands.

Tossing out the US and looking at the locations of these countries on this map:
http://www.virtualtourist.com/Europe/?s=@985319572-4163&
showed it to be an intesting geographical locus for chess programmers.


Must be something in the water.
;-)



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