Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:00:41 03/26/01
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On March 26, 2001 at 21:52:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On March 26, 2001 at 21:35:51, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On March 26, 2001 at 20:06:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2001 at 18:49:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 26, 2001 at 18:35:17, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Christophe,
>>>>>
>>>>>a very interesting and good message, like that !
>>>>>
>>>>>Now a little bit in my superb English :-))
>>>>>
>>>>>01. I believe you forget the important factor, that you can playing engine -
>>>>>engine matches on a dual system with ponder! An interesting player must not buy
>>>>>a second computer and an autoplayer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I do not disagree, but my post was about the increase in playing strength from a
>>>>dual system. Maybe it was directed more at those who think that they are going
>>>>to crush everybody on the chess servers with an expensive dual system. :)
>>>
>>>I think those persons are not completely insane then, because
>>>in blitz programs search to very shallow depths. Especially the so called
>>>3 0 matches which are popular (i personally never play with diep 3 0
>>>against other engines as i don't care about that level as debugging
>>>such a game costs me more time as the game itself costs for sure, not
>>>to mention that the scores scroll too quick on my screen with 3 0 and
>>>the shallow depths make the game not very serious representing tournament
>>>level).
>>>
>>>Most people who are running a prog on a chess server kick only on dick
>>>height. In that respect a dual is a good thing for them. As in blitz it's
>>>not 20 points or so it's more like 150 to 200 rating points at least
>>>difference.
>>
>>
>>Your 150 to 200 elo figure is nonsense.
>
>I remember the first duals coming into ICC.
>Ratings jumped up. DIEP got completely annihilated by crafty
>when they arrived.
>
>Nonsense?
>
>Your words!
>
>Diep single cpu 450PII 6 ply in blitz.
>Diep dual 800 cpu 8-9 ply blitz.
>
>Pick the rating difference...
Of course you could demonstrate your point about the 150 to 200 elo jump by
writting a program that really sucks until it can run at 800MHz or higher, but
my point is that a well designed program will not get a 150 to 200 elo increase
just because it is running on a dual, even at 3 0.
The elo increase, at any time control, will be in the range around 25 ELO.
Hey, if you go at 6 plies on a 450 and reach 8 to 9 plies on a 800, you have a
bloody serious problem somewhere in your program, believe me. :)
Christophe
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