Author: Albert Silver
Date: 05:40:24 03/27/01
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On March 26, 2001 at 17:51:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>That isn't the problem. IE I hate Toshiba and will _never_ buy another of
>their products for any reason.
Same here. I have a Toshiba Pentium 100 notebook paperweight that Toshiba
refuses to fix (and I'd pay for the fixing, so that's not the issue). Why?
Because it was bought over 4 years ago and I no longer have the receipt, but
unless I can _prove_ I am not a thief, they won't touch it. That isn't an
interpretation of the reason BTW, I was told that was the justification for
their position. NEVER again.
Albert
>But I don't continually rant about them. And
>I don't assume nor claim that they continue to do the same things that they did
>to irk me in the first place.
>
>I think that in some way, _every_ "basement tournament" is flawed in one way
>or another. Wrong books, wrong settings, ponder on/ponder off, learning, no
>learning, etc. Which is why everybody gets different results when they play
>these basement-events.
>
>I think it would be foolish to argue that Fritz is a bad program when it is
>clearly one of the best in head-to-head competitions. Unless someone has real
>evidence to show that something underhanded is going on... And so far, none
>has ever been presented.
>
>In _every_ such match, there is a winner and a loser. And sometimes the
>loser makes wild statements to explain why he lost. I recall a pretty famous
>match between crafty and Fritz 5 on FICS. Crafty won quite easily and the
>opponent accused me of using a Cray rather than my old pentium pro 200 machine.
>Was the claim true? Nope. Could I prove it? Not without having someone
>neutral go over the game with equivalent hardware. Was it an important
>issue? Not to me at all.
>
>BTW we later learned that Fritz 5 simply had a bad pawn weakness in its eval,
>and Crafty just happened to evaluate that term correctly, so it was winning
>ending after ending (different games, same basic idea) until it was finally
>fixed in Fritz. That didn't mean Fritz was bad nor that Crafty was very
>good. It was just a result that happened and it left some happy and some not
>very happy. There was no conspiracy or anything...
>
>It is very easy to allow personal dislikes to transform into public comments
>that might not be totally accurate. I have heard about ChessBase doing things
>that seemed wrong to me. But I am not sure this is the place to beat up on them
>about things that they have done, particularly if others are not sharing the
>same sort of feelings...
>
>IE if your voice is the only one being heard, it is easier for people to
>complain than it would be if several were complaining about whatever it is
>that ChessBase has done.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> I fail to
>>>see how ChessBase is going to be the end of computer chess.
>>
>>i do not say that chessbase is the end of computerchess.
>>i say that when all chess programs happen to be chessbase engines it will
>>be the end of computerchess.
>>thats something different.
>>chessbase can continue with whatever they want to do,
>>as long as we have alternatives, it is ok for me.
>>
>>> Crafty works as
>>>an engine for the ChessBase GUI.
>>
>>right. i know.
>>
>>>They don't have _any_ say-so in what I do,
>>>how I do it, or when I do it. They neither encourage nor discourage my
>>>development. I am pretty sure that any commercial entity would like to see the
>>>demise of all the freeware chess engines, for the obvious reason. But rather
>>>than being able to discourage new program development, commercial entities are
>>>powerless to prevent it... just look at all the winboard/xboard engines that
>>>are available today.
>>
>>right.
>>
>>>Most people here enjoy your posts and your tournaments. But most also get
>>>tired of the attacks on ChessBase.
>>
>>i have a good advise: don´t read my post when they make you tired.
>>nobody is forced to click on posts with my name.
>>
>>the attacks on chessbase (!) will not stop as long as my personal opinions
>>change.
>>I guess they will change when chessbase behaves different. as long as they
>>continue the way they did in the past, i see no reason to change my mind about
>>the things.
>>
>>
>>>And all you manage to do is clog up the
>>>moderator email inbox with complaints.
>>
>>sorry.
>>it should be forbidden to complain :-))))
>>
>>where is the button for me to complain about the people who complain about me ?
>>have i - when i was tired - clicked on somebodies post to complain later ?
>>strange behaviour, isn´t it ?
>>
>>>Please continue doing the things you do. But everytime you find yourself
>>>typing "ChessBase" ask yourself "Everybody knows that I don't like this
>>>company, so is it possible for me to simply delete the thought I was writing
>>>down and move on to something that is not negative?"
>>
>>look. i think the people have more problems with me speaking out my opinion,
>>than i do with chessbase.
>>you can see this whenever i do post nothing about chessbase, and only game data
>>or standings, and people jump on something and make big noise (and the people
>>jumnping on the neutral data i posted came from which groups ? chessbase lovers,
>>fanatics and chessbase workers).
>>
>>Did i ever complained about them jumping on me for nothing ?
>>
>>and on the other hand i shall be tolerant to them ??
>>
>>ok.
>>
>>prejudices is not only a one way street.
>>i can live with them having a certain picture about me hating chessbase.
>>anyone seems to have a hate-object to satisfy his urges.
>>
>>it's not the way they believe.
>>
>>i know frederic in person, also many others. i do not hate them. we do not
>>attack each other when we see us. but i have a different opinion about what they
>>do. nothing against the persons behind. only different ideas how to behave when
>>doing a job as a company making business out of computerchess.
>>i don't see why this should be a wrong and not allowed thing in a democratic
>>world.
>>
>>it is not my intention to hurt them. and i have no interest and will not
>>prevent many anonymous readers with spanish names to complain about something
>>that is completely normal: having a different opinion about a company
>>and the things they do.
>>
>>
>>>It would certainly make the lives of the moderators much more simple.
>>>:)
>>
>>sorry.
>>
>>i can imagine what happens. but what should i do ?
>>there are a few people here in this forum who are deeply
>>bound/related to the company you talk about.
>>
>>its normal that they defend their interest spheres by complaining
>>when somebody attacks the company that pays them.
>>
>>how could i stop them to do what they need to do ?
>>
>>i think it is normal in a democracy that when you have at least 2
>>groups with different opinion, the one group will complain about the other
>>group.
>>no matter what the reason is.
>>
>>an event happens.
>>and ONE group likes it, the other group does NOT like it,
>>and the moderator gets complains.
>>
>>i will give my best not to provoke the other side.
>>
>>in the moment crafty plays against rebel-century3 e.g. !
>>
>>i am completely busy watching this game and the main-lines and the scores.
>>
>>[Event "Odyssey2001-Tournament"]
>>[Site "k6-400, 40/120"]
>>[Date "2001.03.25"]
>>[Round "3"]
>>[White "cra18_3"]
>>[Black "rebel-century3"]
>>[Result "*"]
>>[TimeControl "40/7200"]
>>
>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Bxc4 c5 6. O-O a6 7. dxc5 Qxd1
>>8. Rxd1 Bxc5 9. a3 b5 10. Be2 Bb7 11. b4 Be7 12. Bb2 Nbd7 13. Nbd2 Rc8 14.
>>a4 Rc2 15. Ba3 bxa4 16. Nd4 Rc8 17. b5 Ra8
>>*
>>
>>so far it looks like crafty is better.
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