Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 14:42:40 03/27/01
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On March 27, 2001 at 14:47:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On March 26, 2001 at 22:00:41, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On March 26, 2001 at 21:52:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On March 26, 2001 at 21:35:51, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 26, 2001 at 20:06:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 26, 2001 at 18:49:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 26, 2001 at 18:35:17, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Christophe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a very interesting and good message, like that !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now a little bit in my superb English :-))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>01. I believe you forget the important factor, that you can playing engine -
>>>>>>>engine matches on a dual system with ponder! An interesting player must not buy
>>>>>>>a second computer and an autoplayer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not disagree, but my post was about the increase in playing strength from a
>>>>>>dual system. Maybe it was directed more at those who think that they are going
>>>>>>to crush everybody on the chess servers with an expensive dual system. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I think those persons are not completely insane then, because
>>>>>in blitz programs search to very shallow depths. Especially the so called
>>>>>3 0 matches which are popular (i personally never play with diep 3 0
>>>>>against other engines as i don't care about that level as debugging
>>>>>such a game costs me more time as the game itself costs for sure, not
>>>>>to mention that the scores scroll too quick on my screen with 3 0 and
>>>>>the shallow depths make the game not very serious representing tournament
>>>>>level).
>>>>>
>>>>>Most people who are running a prog on a chess server kick only on dick
>>>>>height. In that respect a dual is a good thing for them. As in blitz it's
>>>>>not 20 points or so it's more like 150 to 200 rating points at least
>>>>>difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your 150 to 200 elo figure is nonsense.
>>>
>>>I remember the first duals coming into ICC.
>>>Ratings jumped up. DIEP got completely annihilated by crafty
>>>when they arrived.
>>>
>>>Nonsense?
>>>
>>>Your words!
>>>
>>>Diep single cpu 450PII 6 ply in blitz.
>>>Diep dual 800 cpu 8-9 ply blitz.
>>>
>>>Pick the rating difference...
>>
>>
>>Of course you could demonstrate your point about the 150 to 200 elo jump by
>>writting a program that really sucks until it can run at 800MHz or higher, but
>>my point is that a well designed program will not get a 150 to 200 elo increase
>>just because it is running on a dual, even at 3 0.
>>
>>The elo increase, at any time control, will be in the range around 25 ELO.
>
>So you claim that for a near to factor 2 speedup of a machine, that
>the rating win is 25 points?
I had overlooked that it was 450PII single against 800PIII dual.
For a factor 2 speedup the rating increase is 53 ELO, read my message.
Christophe
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