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Subject: Re: [Moderation] Last Opportunity To Vote!!

Author: Hermano Ecuadoriano

Date: 10:09:23 03/28/01

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On March 28, 2001 at 10:25:57, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:

>On March 28, 2001 at 08:29:40, Hermano Ecuadoriano wrote:
>
>>I'm posting this here because it is relevant to the election.
>>I'm posting it now because this is the time for preemptive complaints.
>>I permit myself to post it here because the person who started the
>>thread properly included the word [Moderation].
>>
>>The issue being whether or not political ranting should be permitted,
>>on March 23, 2001 at 14:43:02, one of the moderator candidates wrote,
>>in another thread:
>>
>>snip
>>>I see nothing offensive in it.
>>>It may be against your own ideas, (and mine, for that matter), but it is not
>>>offensive in a general sense.   It is rather biased, but everyone should be
>>>entitled to his/her own opinion.
>>snip
>>
>>I think the above demonstrates a lack of understanding, and that the
>>failure of the principle that it implies, in practice, can be observed
>>in other discussion groups.
>>
>>Being "entitled" to hold an opinion does not equal being "entitled" to post
>>it here. Thus, to begin with, the reply begs the question.
>>
>>I asked him (in effect) whether or not it is his opinion that we have
>>an "entitlement" to rant about politics, religion, sexuality, race, etc.,
>>[begin italics] in this discussion group [end italics].
>>Since he is a moderator candidate, I think he should answer.
>>The answer must be no of course. The reasons are objective in that the
>>consequences can be observed in other discussion groups. And THAT is why
>>the post in question should have been deleted.
>>
>>I'm not just picking on him: this seems very obvious to me, and it is
>>terrifying that so many intelligent and thoughtful people can't
>>understand it, as though they had never thought about it.
>
>
>Hullo,
>
>I think that the answer was quite well-embedded in your question.  Thorsten's
>post was at least marginally related to computer chess, therefore it should have
>been allowed, as it was.  Had he been ranting about other topics you listed
>above, I would have deleted it without any compunction.  (He does rant
>occasionally and usually manages with only a yellow card, so to speak...)
>
>Therefore, me dear Ecuadorian bro', I see no petitio principii in my post that
>you apperently picked out for a nugget of intellectual exercise.  However, I
>must applaud the manner in which you executed it -- reminds me of a colleague of
>mine whose style I appreciate.
>
>Might you be one of the Oxonians that I was privileged to get to know through a
>mutual friend, playing backgammon in Amsterdam, in a shady Dunantstraat
>houselet, for small stakes (a Heineken or two per game)?
>
>***  Djordje

Now I count myself among the unfortunate, because no, I am not the one you
remember kindly.
I admit that moderation will always involve a big component of judgement.
But I wish the reasoning given were in terms of a rule or principle, and
not the [begin italics] mere [end italics] offense taken by a moderator
or by another member. There are very good reasons to strive for this
ideal, and sometimes I highlight the subject just to probe whether or not
the whole world has forgotten or changed its mind.
Best Wishes.



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